ToS: Third Party Programs and Turbo Controllers

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Originally Posted by Madruk

You expect a 18 yr old GM to take out a stopwatch? Only in asian MMO's do I see these debates.

Put in auto-craft and be done with it. The new 1.21-2.0 changes are leaning towards this direction anyway.

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you seriously think they use a stopwatch to time people? lol, thanks for the laugh

No, I dont. Nor do I believe they won't do anything other than the ye olde /tell test, do handstands and flip backwards test to see if you're afk. Timing tests are subjective to server lag doesn't make any difference.

As I said before, instead of making convoluted tests to a retarded system, change it to what pretty much every other mainstream MMO does these days. Crafting should always be about the gathering of materials, not spending 2 minutes trying to get enough quality to push a 2-5% increase chance to +1.

I use my Thumb always have always will too

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

quite easily actualy

they can time your entries, if all of them are the exact same timing down to the miliosecond, your using a program
if you have your turbo button taped, itl obviously have a continuous stream of input wether or not it can actualy be used

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And they time it how? Using a stopwatch? Not exact enough. Checking our input packets? Latency will make it as inexact.

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and then theres the easy test of just sending people a message to see if they are even there at all(im talking about you! people claiming to watch movies with 14 minimized), you are at your computer, but you are obviously not actualy there at all as far as the game is concerned

its alot easier to prove then you think

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And in that case you can just respond. I quoted the part where they specifically said using automated functions of a keyboard/gamepad AND being present is also not allowed. There is no way they can prove that.

For people wondering about the GM sending a tell to see if you are there, there is one alternative which is add a script to FFXIV that checks every single piece of software, compare it to a list SE has of illegal software then ban anyone and everyone that has said software.

Also FFXI had auto craft, you choose the mats, and it does it, it wasnt involved at all, I know a game of pong for a craft, every time you win your progress increases, every time you loose your durability increases :D

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

they can time your entries, if all of them are the exact same timing down to the miliosecond, your using a program

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Requires something on the client side though since the latency would randomly alter the timing. Somehow doubt they implemented such a feature. It would only work for the simplest form of automation.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

For people wondering about the GM sending a tell to see if you are there, there is one alternative which is add a script to FFXIV that checks every single piece of software, compare it to a list SE has of illegal software then ban anyone and everyone that has said software.

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Seeing how they are struggling to add ANYTHING to the client, I kinda doubt they will be able to do that.

And even if they do, turbo controllers and keyboard macros are not detectable.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Seeing how they are struggling to add ANYTHING to the client, I kinda doubt they will be able to do that.

And even if they do, turbo controllers and keyboard macros are not detectable.

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The special buttons need a specific driver or piece of software to work, you just look for the software, or look in the driver and see the special keys function, probably illegal because they could be closed source but entirely possible and then they can nuke everyone with a programable keyboard or turbo controller.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

The special buttons need a specific driver or piece of software to work

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No. In case of turbo controllers, it's the hardware that does it. You can't distinguish a turbo from a non-turbo controller.

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they can nuke everyone with a programable keyboard or turbo controller.

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And lose a LOT of players because of trying to dictate what hardware a player should use.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

And lose a LOT of players because of trying to dictate what hardware a player should use.

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Much must be risked in the war against the RMT, you should blame the people that exploit these features, not SE.

They would never go that far because it will cause legal complications if they did.