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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

As a DRK main, after the Power Slash buff I have been using Dark Arts + Power Slash a lot more outside of tank stance (I only use Souleater combo for Delirium for extended Blood Weapon) and I end up ripping aggro off of the other tanks [...]

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Power Slash and Souleater have the same base damage, but Souleater gives blood and branches off Syphon Strike which gives mana, and both blood and mana translate into damage for DRK. So unless you are MT, Souleater is the combo to spam o/
And even as MT, just use Power Slash to make enough aggro, then continue with Souleater combos.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

As a DRK main, after the Power Slash buff I have been using Dark Arts + Power Slash a lot more outside of tank stance (I only use Souleater combo for Delirium for extended Blood Weapon) and I end up ripping aggro off of the other tanks and healers "oh shit" instinct kicks in and co-tank(s) more than likely just give up on holding aggro but still maintain a decent amount of aggro when needed... if Power Slash Dark Arts combo potency was increased by 170 and Syphon Strike gave 10 Blood Gauge as a combo bonus, I wonder which combo would be used more for DRK rotation... either way I'm just speaking from running standard content(no savage or extreme fights)...

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Please get out of that habit. You should only use Power Slash to establish aggro and Souleater otherwise, especially as the off tank. By constantly spamming Power Slash, you will likely take the boss at an inopportune time and surprise the healer since they aren't going to be expecting the tanks to suddenly be fighting for aggro. Assuming a comparable ilvl, your opener as MT should be...

Optimized - (Better suited when you're comfortable on tank/with a reliable group)
High Threat - (Better for 24 mans and pugs)

You should also get into the habit of Provoke + Shirk, which helps the MT maintain aggro without the need of more combos or tank stance.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Optimized - (Better suited when you're comfortable on tank/with a reliable group)
High Threat - (Better for 24 mans and pugs)

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These two rotations are why a lot of people don't play DRK. The reliance on Dark Arts spam is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

These two rotations are why a lot of people don't play DRK. The reliance on Dark Arts spam is ridiculous.

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Yeah, I looked at the openers, tried them a couple of times and just noped out. Too much DA, too much double-weaving, no thanks. Back to knuckle dragger and Pally for me.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

These two rotations are why a lot of people don't play DRK. The reliance on Dark Arts spam is ridiculous.

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While I still enjoy the job myself, I readily agree the Dark Arts spam introduced in Stormblood has been awful. Seriously, where the hell did their creativity go? I get wanting to simplify job rotations but this decision was absurd. I'm hoping they, at least, remove Dark Arts from Syphon Strike. That's the worst offender right now.

Every dps has aggro manipulation tools and your co tank can vokeshirk you so when a dps is riding your butt on aggro then either your co tank aren't vokeshirking you or the dps never bothered using diversion/lucid/tactician/refresh, which I'll just let them die in that case and reset the aggro for them.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

These two rotations are why a lot of people don't play DRK. The reliance on Dark Arts spam is ridiculous.

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Imo, it's not the directly DA spam that discourage people from playing DRK, but more like a combination of the stigma "lol DRK is trash" and a lot of double weaving with a GCD speed boost.

I mean, SMN litterally spam Ruin II / Ruin III at nearly every GCD, with frequent double weaving, and SMN is played a lot. On a 10 min sigma savage fight, I had around 65 casts of DA as DRK, and around 200 casts of Ruin spells as SMN.

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Originally Posted by SiriusSaltstice

Aggro combo as offtank.
10/10.

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It's how the pros do it in alliance raids.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Please get out of that habit. You should only use Power Slash to establish aggro and Souleater otherwise, especially as the off tank. By constantly spamming Power Slash, you will likely take the boss at an inopportune time and surprise the healer since they aren't going to be expecting the tanks to suddenly be fighting for aggro. Assuming a comparable ilvl, your opener as MT should be...

Optimized - (Better suited when you're comfortable on tank/with a reliable group)
High Threat - (Better for 24 mans and pugs)

You should also get into the habit of Provoke + Shirk, which helps the MT maintain aggro without the need of more combos or tank stance.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

These two rotations are why a lot of people don't play DRK. The reliance on Dark Arts spam is ridiculous.

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Or be like me and just have fun with what you got instead looking at some guide on how to do a rotation for a class/job that you main because buying potions and food just to clear Savage and Extreme is too expensive and is more of a chore... Also doesn't help that ALL ITEMS ARE ON A SHARED COOLDOWN!!! :mad: I at least need some gil for other things too. :(

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Or be like me and just have fun with what you got instead looking at some guide on how to do a rotation for a class/job that you main

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But you literally said earlier in this thread that you use your aggro combo as the off-tank. ._. It doesn’t take a guide to tell you you aren’t supposed to do that.