I don't know what to make of this.

I'm just going to say not even a week into a patch is better not to spoil fights unless somebody specifically asks for it or it's several wipes into the fight. I like to find out by myself too when the content is brand new.

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Originally Posted by Trunks

This happened to me when Rabanstre came out. We wiped 4 times to 2nd boss before I asked, simply, "does anyone have any questions? :)" (smiley included, srsly). It set off an instant flame war and the alliance vote disbanded

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In similar situations, my question is "shall we go through the tactics" or "let's go through the tactics, shall we?" And I'm yet to have it backfire. The difference in nuance is slight but I think it might be the "let's figure out how WE can beat this" instead of "which ONE of you is not getting it"

That or I've just chanced on less flammatory groups.

I'm mostly silent during the first week of a new patch.

If I see the party struggle with certain mechanic, I'll give a hint after the kill of a boss for an "Ahhh" effect. But I'll take all the wipes during the progression until we beat the boss silently :)

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Originally Posted by Solarianna

I honestly don't know what to say. The conversation is here for you to read and take your own conclusions, and if I am in the wrong please tell me because after this I honestly don't know what to think.

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Honestly you were neither wrong nor right. I used to be the same way and my gut instinct was if I saw someone struggling I'd do my best to try and help them and explain how things go. I've long since given up here. I've played a lot of MMO's too over a long period of time and I've just grown to accept FFXIV is its own thing. I treat it as the Twilight Zone of the MMO world. A different dimension of its own different rules far away from what we know. In other games no, not very many want to enter a fight completely blind and are more then happy to either look at a guide or ask questions even on launch of new content, those I'll help from the bottom of my heart. Here though, I have to switch mentality to more or less if I see someone struggling I'll leave them be to either figure it out on their own or keep laying on the floor. Cold maybe but if they like paying their own sub to just lay on the floor raging. Who am I to take their fun away.

Treating your time in FFXIV as if you stepped into an alternate dimension helps to keep your sanity in check. Also yes, linking that weapon was kinda pointless, cos for all any of us know they may have gotten it by having a jolly good time laying on the floor and screaming at their party while the other seven did the work.

If you want to experience a fight blind put up a pf and get similar minded people, otherwise expect stuff to be explained during a fight I value my time and would rather get through the fight as quickly as possible.

For me, it comes down a LOT to WHO I enter the fight with. A friend and myself went in blind to S1 and S2. 1 wipe each on day 1 content, all it took for everyone to (mostly) realize what we needed to do. When I am running with my static we all agree we go in completely blind. Why? Because it's our choice to do so. We like the thrill of learning by experience, building muscle memory toward the mechanics as we progress, and dying/sharing our insight and experience from multiple points to see what we did wrong, and how to fix it. First big time, for example, we ran into a moment to scratch our head, was O2S pileup in middle for the slamdown. We didn't know why some got kicked back, some didn't. So 2 more wipes that night, we tested out our theories, lo and behold, we found out how it worked. Randoms? Completely different story. They can be hit/miss/bunt/get hit by the baseball. Total grab bag.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

If you want to experience a fight blind put up a pf and get similar minded people, otherwise expect stuff to be explained during a fight I value my time and would rather get through the fight as quickly as possible.

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But the same could be said to you. If you *don't* want to experience it blind, put up a PF to get similarly-minded people/people who have done it already, or go in with friends/fc/etc. I'd say you should be more expected to do that if you value your time so highly (and there's nothing wrong at all with valuing your time highly).

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Originally Posted by Kakiko

But the same could be said to you. If you *don't* want to experience it blind, put up a PF to get similarly-minded people/people who have done it already, or go in with friends/fc/etc.

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In both cases, making a PF will give the best result of what the player wants, wether that's going in blind, or getting fast clears.

However, queuing up in the DF means expecting to be grouped up with either type of players, since it's completely random.

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Originally Posted by Kakiko

But the same could be said to you. If you *don't* want to experience it blind, put up a PF to get similarly-minded people/people who have done it already, or go in with friends/fc/etc. I'd say you should be more expected to do that if you value your time so highly (and there's nothing wrong at all with valuing your time highly).

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But when you use the DF your accepting the possibility that all 7 of the other people have already cleared the fight so your not going a proper blind experience anyways which is why the PF is better so everyone can learn the fight together

Problem with Kefka normal is that is whole difficulty relies on not knowing what he is doing. Once you explain him he is trivial, way more than exdeath was. But he will wipe people if not explained. The third boss for some weird reason is much harder than him, because he uses more and faster mechanics despite being able to see and understand his mechanics plainly.

So its more of an issue to spoil him. He's either one-shottable, or he will wipe the newbies often otherwise.