4.2 Housing Update

I got two personal smalls back when housing wasn't an issue on my server. I furnished them with lots of love and I hope one of them will find a nice loving owner in 4.2! :)
There is an emotional attachment, yes but it is a fix to the system that I welcome!

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Q: Can you relocate if you already own several free company estates?
A: Relocating and purchasing are processed differently, so you are able to relocate.

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I think this probably is a answer to the most important question.

IMO it would probably be a good idea to get rid of the excess houses while you can still control which house you keep, because you know SE will retroactively enforce the housing limit on all accounts eventually. I mean, look what they do with currencies.

4.2 effectively starts the beginning of the grace period because you know they'll force the issue down the line.

So when housing goes live. People won't be able to purchase a home if they are wanting it for private use? Does anyone know if it will be for ALL plots or maybe only the large?Which a large I can understand, I feel those are made for FC'S On a server like Balmung.. restricting it to FC's only is kind of shitty how in the world is that giving everyone a "fair" chance. -.- Maybe i'm reading it wrong though. I haven't had my coffee yet

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Imagine that scholar who dreams of his 'own cute library' and really wants it, prepared for it and gathered all the money by himself, but gets outrun by that FC that prepared aswell. In that case that scholar need to suck it up just as well.
You wouldn't want to tell the FC that they have to give up their house for the benefit of the scholar, right? Then, why do it the other way around? Because the scholar already has another house, or an appartement, or a room in his FC's house? They both had the same chance of getting a house in this case. The other party was just a tad more lucky. Who are we to say who deserves it more?

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The scholar in the example already has one house... so yeah, they should suck it up if an FC without a house beats them and the Scholar doesn't get it... too bad. Similarly, no... I wouldn't expect an FC with only one house to give it to a Scholar who already has one.

Simple maths really makes it balance out quite obviously, if there are more unique players in the fc than 1 then they are more important than the 1. Just to point it out... the devs have said who deserves it more with the way they've tilted everything in favour of the FCs now... it's the FCs.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Sadly that's what housing is in FFXIV. To change this, the _whole_ system would need a complete change that would probably result in taking all houses away, and install instanced housing or something like that, and I guarantee you that there would be a big uproar if they suddenly decided to do this.

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Yeah, seems like they could avoid that by... not grandfathering people in and buying more time to add more wards in.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Long story short, I just can't stand behind the idea of taking things from people they have owned for a while just 'for the greater good of the majority'. In my eyes it's plainly wrong, while in your eyes it might just be the best choice they can make at this point. I guess we just stand on different moral points there.

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It's not really morals it's ethics. But realistically, applying your stance against yourself, it's morally right to take the houses away because the emotions of those that don't have houses would be negatively impacted.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

IMO it would probably be a good idea to get rid of the excess houses while you can still control which house you keep, because you know SE will retroactively enforce the housing limit on all accounts eventually. I mean, look what they do with currencies.

4.2 effectively starts the beginning of the grace period because you know they'll force the issue down the line.

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Realistically yeah, right now people can probably shift their favourite house onto their main with help but glhf if they try when the resell timer goes in.

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Originally Posted by RayneLittlewinkle

So when housing goes live. People won't be able to purchase a home if they are wanting it for private use? Does anyone know if it will be for ALL plots or maybe only the large?Which a large I can understand, I feel those are made for FC'S On a server like Balmung.. restricting it to FC's only is kind of shitty how in the world is that giving everyone a "fair" chance. -.- Maybe i'm reading it wrong though. I haven't had my coffee yet

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Afaik, you've read it right. The whole thing is set up to prioritise FCs cause not having a house prevents them from accessing stuff such as the submarines coming in this patch.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

Simple maths really makes it balance out quite obviously, if there are more unique players in the fc than 1 then they are more important than the 1. Just to point it out... the devs have said who deserves it more with the way they've tilted everything in favour of the FCs now... it's the FCs.

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Wow, so the dev's have 'said' who is more important now huh? I don't think the rule changes should be interpreted exactly this way.
Yes, they give the FCs an advantage now which is surely a good and welcomed change, and I also wrote that a few pages ago if I recall correctly.
But I guess it's happening because of the uproar after the Shirogane launch. Not because they think Fc's are more important. This is just your personal interpretation.
And if people should give up their houses now only for the benefit of FCs or rather small FCs with less then 4 people...well... quoting myself:

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Edit: Also, with the new system added, it's almost guaranteed that each FC who wants a house will get one. Even the ones with less then 4 people; all they have to do is recruit a few players beforehand which isn't that much work tbh.

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If an Fc doesn't use that big advantage then the fault lies with them. Simple. People who've had two houses for like 4 years shouldn't be punished for it now. :/
We can turn in circles speaking about ethics and stuff while from your point of view it's morally right, and from my point of view it's morally wrong. I guess we won't change each others point of view no matter what.

Definitely a big fan of the restrictions, but I'd be a bigger fan if I knew they were thinking hard about how to address the personal housing conundrum on the back of this. I've felt for a while that neighborhoods should belong to FCs and Apartments should be massively expanded to accommodate players, and I'd happily relinquish my personal house of a few years in favor of a system that granted some permanence like that without the currently-existing and strict limitations of the apartment system. Still, even a temporary restriction is a positive step. My FC's had their house for a few years as well, so for me this is all about not wanting to see ghost town wards bought by players who don't log in and never decorate while FCs are left in the dark due to login roulette.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

People who've had two houses for like 4 years shouldn't be punished for it now.

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I would just like to point out that the word "punished" isn't correct here. Being impacted negatively by something does not necessarily make it a punishment. I agree that players who purchased multiple homes did not break any rules (I'll not go into whether or not it was morally/ethically wrong) that SE had in place for housing, largely because SE totally screwed up housing and there were loopholes all over the place.

It's like owning a home with a big, beautiful front lawn for years. Eventually the traffic in front of your house gets worse and worse and finally the city has to do something to relieve the gridlock. So they decide to add another lane, by widening the street and taking part of your front lawn to do it, maybe even chopping down a tree or two. Does it negatively impact the homeowner? Yes. Is the homeowner being punished? No. But the city needs to infringe on their luxury in order to make the lives of the majority of people better.

Look I get it that it sucks some people might lose some of their houses but you can't deny that SE obviously do not encourage players to have houses on their alts. The game is literally designed so that you can do everything on one character. Having an alt grants little to no advantage to mains. SE do not encourage the playing of alts, you can even have a subscription that pays for just one character per server.

Just because you are able to do something doesn't mean it was intended by the devs. Housing in this game is riddled with poor planning and the massive oversight of letting alts also have as many houses as a main is one of them. It's about time SE address this.

I sincerely hope they do not grandfather anyone, because this would mean more players would have access to housing. This would mean more happier players. It would also make more sense and be more fair on the player population as a whole if we all are subjected to identical restrictions.