So an FC on midgardsormer bought 60 plots...

No ones mad at the FC. No one blames the FC AT ALL for just doing what the game let them do. It’s all a game issue and we are aware of this.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

That's exactly what I said.. ?

The housing for FC and personal should not be the same plot, plain and simple. When housing was first introduced it was for FC's only. It wasn't until much later when they added personal housing. As for specific restrictions, I was referring to selling plots specifically for FCs. Congrats for blowing that out of proportion.

Again, no, not what I said. What I meant was FC should've been giving priority for housing. Then once the market settled down, open up personal housing.

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FC first, then solo housing doesn't solve the underlying issue with housing shortage. Right now at a ratio of what 1000:1, houses are better than gold. Personally, I don't want a house. I think it's a waste of time effort and money. For a ton of people, it's THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of the game, especially for FCs for access to airships, and to give their members a communal location. So, yea setting a priority to FC first then solo would be useful to some degree, but it's not difficult to build up a rank 6 FC just to purchase an FC house to resell. Again, doesn't solve the underlying issues; just shifts the requirements to obtain the house in the first place.

The title to this thread is click baity.

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Originally Posted by PrincessMarbleSays

It’s unfair because why would everyone need houses when rooms and large plots for FCs work perfectly fine. What’s wrong with being considerate and limiting yourselves to one?

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Ah, the classic "they actually didnt do anything wrong, I'm just jealous" argument

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

Ah, the classic "they actually didnt do anything wrong, I\\\\'m just jealous" argument

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Lol sure that’s EXACTLY I meant. Posted this whole thread over jealousy, not genuine disheartenment for the entire situation.

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

What's the difference between players who happen to be in the same FC owning individual houses in a ward vs random people owning individual houses in a ward? Are you trying to tell me that simply being associated with an FC should preclude you from owning personal housing? Now I've heard it all...

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The issue is not ownership, it's availability. Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I do not personally GAF about housing. I bought a room in the FC (twice) that I never use. We have a mansion I'm never at. I do not participate in FC crafting or anything. It's there for people that want it and that's fine with me. I'll help if someone needs help but it's not my thing. I don't care.

That doesn't mean I can't look at a problem and speculate about what makes it worse/what can make it better. So, I stand by my position that new housing wards should be prioritized so that FC's have the first shot at them. FC housing is simply more important than individual housing. Once the dust settles, they can expand the server space or open up new wards, whatever, to accommodate for personal housing. Even something as sensible as "Wards 1-6 for FC, wards 7-12 for personal" would've been better than this mess.

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Originally Posted by Llus

This is not at all what it appeared as though you were saying.

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I mean..

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There should've been FC housing first, then personal housing added later like the other residential districts.

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They shouldn't be fighting for the same plots, no.

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Then you pulled this out of thin air:

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Seems to me that this boils down to "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!"

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When I didn't say anything at all about whether I got a plot or didn't.

I get it, people are tired of looking at the same scenery they've been looking at for 3 years. People want to live in the shiny new houses instead of the old run-down ones. People want to live next to the beach instead of in a forest or desert. That's all understandable. The Devs should've taken this into consideration and worked to mitigate as much as they could. Maybe they did and it could've been worse. Or maybe they saw the potential problem and just said "Eff it". Who knows. People are going to do whatever is in their power to do, so I'm not necessarily blaming them, I'm squarely blaming the devs for *seemingly* not giving a shit lol

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

The issue is not ownership, it's availability. Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I do not personally GAF about housing. I bought a room in the FC (twice) that I never use. We have a mansion I'm never at. I do not participate in FC crafting or anything. It's there for people that want it and that's fine with me. I'll help if someone needs help but it's not my thing. I don't care.

That doesn't mean I can't look at a problem and speculate about what makes it worse/what can make it better. So, I stand by my position that new housing wards should be prioritized so that FC's have the first shot at them. FC housing is simply more important than individual housing. Once the dust settles, they can expand the server space or open up new wards, whatever, to accommodate for personal housing. Even something as sensible as "Wards 1-6 for FC, wards 7-12 for personal" would've been better than this mess.

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First, the quote about "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!" was aimed at this thread and others like it. Many many people complaining about other people getting plots and reselling them, entire wards filled with private ownership etc, then this one came out and this jewel of a comment:

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Originally Posted by Rymm

If this is true (can't log in myself right now to confirm or not,) that is absolutely outrageous. This is the kind of d*ck behavior that makes the entire housing mess so much worse. But while you (the OP) are very understandably upset, limiting plots to FCs only would not solve this issue, only increase the number of one-member shell FCs who buy plots for individual players. SE must revamp or expand the housing system if there is going to be any end to the shortages or the horrible behavior that stems from it.

I had hoped that apartments would be the precursor to actual, viable instanced housing, but the more time that passes with SE not building upon that foundation, the dimmer that possibility seems.

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D*ck behavior and outrageous. Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to. Doesn't matter if they're all from the same FC. Doesn't matter what their motives for buying were. To several people in this thread the fact that they BOUGHT the plots is D*ck behavior and outrageous. In the end, this thread isn't about addressing the problems with the housing situation. There are MANY other threads that are doing that. But this kind of salty click-bait thread won't help the situation any more than putting an arbitrary restriction on who can purchase houses. My 1st and 2nd house purchase 2 years ago was done through a solo FC I created, I watched the housing districts looking for plots opening up and bought a medium; then when a large popped up I dropped my med and got a lg. Eventually ended up giving away the LG to a newbie crafter and deleting my characters. It took less than a week to get a solo FC to rank 6; so FC restrictions really won't help especially with scalpers. It will lower the number of people going for a house, but not so much that hundreds of people won't still miss out on an FC house and then when private sales go up, the demand would be even larger for the even more limited resources.

Square Enix really should add 100+ wards. That way there won't be in this situation lol. People can make a town in that situation for all I care in a low populated server. I agree with someone in this thread who mentioned it.

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Originally Posted by Llus

Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to.

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Same access is not an accurate statement. It's not like housing was open for weeks and plots sat there. I woke up at 1:45 am (release was 2:00 am) just to download the patch but encountered Launcher errors, then had to wait for patch download, and then had to wait for 1025 people to get through the queue. I was logged in by 2:15 am and everything was gone. People were lucky to not have errors, be at a reasonable time zone of release and lucky to sit there and get it. That is not equal access and boils down to a lot of factors that are disadvantageous to other players.

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Originally Posted by Jack-Rakan

Wait, I thought the FC needs to be rank 6 or higher to even buy a plot?

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You can level up a fc on your own through crafting, etc. It takes time, but it's doable.