How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I'm indifferent on the subject at this point. Too many hard heads on both sides and neither willing to give in. It's not worth arguing really, we already have our answer and that's that.

That said, I am partial to having a parser available. I like having as much information quantitatively available to me as possible; I hate qualitative data.

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i totally support your comment. this is the same way I think also. but some players, some comments.. ... ...

"If you have to rely on a third party tool to clear content, you're probably not ready to tackle said content." - Thunda_Cat_Smash


/facepalm

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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No static, on PS4, PUG all content because I hate dealing with strict raid schedules. People that parse have not told me anything that I don't already know. If you want to get better, look at your in-game tools. If you don't want to get better, than you need to rely on third party tools to get you to the clear.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

If you have to rely on a third party tool to clear content, you're probably not ready to tackle said content.

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It's actually just the opposite, though.

If you're not serious enough to be using a 3rd party program to see who in your raid group is slacking, you're not ready to tackle said content.

I'm pretty sure that all the hardcore "world first" FCs are using it, and I can't imagine anyone trying SSavage won't be using it.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

I'm pretty sure that all the hardcore "world first" FCs are using it, and I can't imagine anyone trying SSavage won't be using it.

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Oh, I never said that using parsers is a bad thing! It's a bonus that can help with the intricacies of a fight. Worldfirsters know their jobs inside and out, and only use parsers to fine tune details. Relying on it and using it as a bonus are completely different things.

Relying on a parser: "I need to use this or I can't clear content!"

Not relying on a parser, but using one: "So, I messed up slightly here and here, what shall I do instead?"

The first states you can't improve without it, the second acknowledges player mess ups and how they can be improved.

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Originally Posted by Maku

This game feeds you your rotation. The little boxes sparkle when they are comboable.
If someone can't look at a potency and know that 2 is larger than 1 then they have a more major issue than bad math. These forums have several threads about optimal DPS rotations. They can't use parsers officially because that gives an official way to segregate players.

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Potencies can be entirely misleading. Take, for instance, Samurai. Just looking at the potency numbers, many players will assume Midare is your strongest ability when Shinten far exceeds 720 potency if you properly set up. Likewise, a person isn't going to know how to maximize their DPS only reading numbers since you need to know when to weave your oGCDs for your opener.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The game is already a math exercise for min/maxing. Please do not ask for it to become more of a number crunch. If people in your group are not pulling their weight, talk to them. If you complaining about a PUG, then make a party, and try again. If it was purely a number puzzle, it would diminish the game and the role of DPS into little more than grade school arithmetic.

Going by this and the OP, all I can say is that in this case you're both making it very clear that parsers would turn the game into the MMORPG equivalent of painting by numbers. There's no skill or judgement involved in painting by numbers, just following the numbers. People decry the skill of players already. How will parsers help increase skill when they encourage slavishly following specific rotations and timings - effectively painting by numbers? That reduces the skill needed to that of memorizing a routine and never deviating.

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This game is already paint by numbers more or less. You follow a set rotation someone posts online and scarcely deviant. You may have slight difference, like the 1-Sen opener versus 3-Sen, however it's negligible. Parses allow people who may not even realizing they're doing considerably less damage to see tangible numbers. A lot of people don't understand how openers work or assume they're doing more damage than they actually are. The idea there would be wide spread ridicule only applies if the devs stop policing harassment. If you have a parse now and call someone out in-game, you can be reported. That wouldn't change with an officially sanctioned system. Besides, more often than not, if you step into EX or Savage content, someone has ACT running anyway. They may as well embrace it.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Oh, I never said that using parsers is a bad thing! It's a bonus that can help with the intricacies of a fight. Worldfirsters know their jobs inside and out, and only use parsers to fine tune details. Relying on it and using it as a bonus are completely different things.

Relying on a parser: "I need to use this or I can't clear content!"

Not relying on a parser, but using one: "So, I messed up slightly here and here, what shall I do instead?"

The first states you can't improve without it, the second acknowledges player mess ups and how they can be improved.

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Definitely in that case.

I think we're mostly talking about people who don't know the exact right rotation or raid leaders who have no way of knowing who among their raid group isn't being all that they can be.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

To be fair they designed end game content in PSO2 with no strict dps or skill requirements so the implementation of a DPS parser in PSO2 was completely unnecessary and literally only exists to raise epeens. In 14 if you don't do enough damage you aren't clearing the content, cut and dry. So you need to know how to improve, or who is holding you back.

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Deus Esca "Moon Phase"? Mother EQ has a one shot move too if you fail at those balls(or smt, havent done it in a while). People still fail to reach/kill Deus/Angel/Hunar/Dio in EP 1~4 LQ before time runs out. Solo Profound Darkness? Buster Quest time limit. You have time limit in some quest you know?

Back then when Thordan EX came out parsing helped me to increase my DPS by a lot. Without the ability to try things and see how it reflects on my damage we would not have been able to clear him that soon.

How should I do this without parser? Comparing % at enrage and hope no one did different damage than last try?

For people thinking parsers would lead to toxic behavior, you forget that most "bad" players have no idea that they are actually performing badly. Parsers can be real eyes openers too for a lot of players.

I'm all for parsers. It'll be a good way to know if you're doing good damage or not. They could even do worded rankings like "Excellent" to "Very Poor" instead of actual numbers.

And honestly I couldn't care less if people get called out for having bad DPS, just as long you're a DPS of course. It's your job to do damage and you should at least be good at it. You don't need to have hardcore raider DPS at all but if your damage is less than the tank or even worse the healer, then there's something wrong with what you're doing and you should improve yourself.