My first bad experience with another player. :o

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Originally Posted by PandaMonium

And what was their answer? No, not "Git gut" but "I don't believe that all these players are really new here".....

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This is potentially correct.
I did all the ARR content available at the time (outside of Coil) back before I stopped playing a few years back. After returning this time, I continued to do all the ARR content while grinding a good portion of what was left my Zodiac weapon out before even adding HW, let alone SB to my account.
So after the returner status wore off, I was a 'sprout' despite having hundreds of hours logged and pretty much everything pre-3.0 done.

What is amazing, is that you had to deal with a douche only after two months. That is an achievement by itself.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I dont want to blame you or your friend for wanting to enjoy your journey there, hell no - but you please need to understand that you're asking 6 other people to just stand around and do nothing for 45 minutes while you watch your cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Of course, if the rest of the party agreed and only one person had to be a bit of a jerk in the end, that sucks and I dont want to defend that - but even if those cutscenes are intended, its still a lot to ask of a bunch of strangers to wait for those. Again: Not your fault. But I cant really blame those people either. If you've got only 2 hours of playtime each day and you spend half of the time waiting for someone to finish a cutscene... thats not fun.

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Originally Posted by Sarteck

I mentioned, "Hey, we got locked out because we're viewing cutscenes," and the response was pretty much that they could take care of it and not to worry about it. That was fine by us, really. We watched the cutscenes, and tried to catch up with the party the few times we had the chance.

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Vidu, you need to read the OP again because you keep claiming the party was slowed down. The party didn't have to wait for him and that idiot healer is to blame for being rude. Such intolerant people do not deserve a new player bonus and I wish new players could deny it from anyone who makes the experience unpleasant.

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Originally Posted by Kuo

if you cant wait on new players watching cutsences, don't queue roulette for story dungeons

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The truth is in the quote. You can only end up in MSQ dungeons on purpose so you shouldn't queue if you don't want new players experiencing the dungeon as intended. It's as bad as those mentors who only queue Mentor Roulette for the mount and ruin the experience for the new players.

See this is why I took my pet noob through castrum and prae unsynched and let her watch all the cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by TamiaBlack

Here are quite a few replies, and I'm not sure if the topic starter even reads it.

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I've been checking back on it, and finding agreement in both sides of the argument.

It was not my first time, but I was not going to leave my friend alone, and since it had been a while since I had played through, I turned on cutscenes myself just to refresh myself on what he was seeing.

It was his first time, and as has been mentioned a few times, I agree that it's absurd to expect a new player not to watch the cutscenes, and downright rude to wait at the end of the dungeon just to call THEM rude.

My friend was pretty let down by it, which just made me even more ticked about it, but we went through Praetorium (unsynced) tonight and then started working on the Hildebrand quests, and he's all happy again, heh. (If anyone thinks standing by waiting on newbies to watch the cutscenes in those dungeons is too hard, try to do it with someone doing the Hildebrand Quests, lol.)

A very good piece of advice a user earlier in this thread gave was to make a Macro to tell the party at the beginning of dungeons, "Friend is new, we'll be watching cutscenes, sorry for any inconveniences, and any advice is welcome." I'm going to certainly put that to use for HW/SB Dungeons and Trials.

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For those of you telling me "just do it unsynced," I'll be completely honest--even with a Level 70 Monk, I was pretty low on health towards the end. If we had BOTH been new, what then? Would it still be okay to you? What about those people who do have that kind of situation, do you seriously think they are "being freakin rude?"

I'm sorry, but I just cannot see this as an acceptable attitude. If people want to speed run, then they should use the Party Finder. Upon checking, neither C.M. NOR Praetoria are found using anything but the "Main Scenario" Duty Roulette.

If people are doing Main Scenario Duty Roulette, they should expect that many players are actually watching the story. Period. Lo' and behold, those are the only dungeons that CAN be accessed from the M.S. Duty Roulette.

In other words, you've got two viable choices:
1) Don't use M.S. Duty Roulette. Form your own Party instead if you want to farm it.
2) Expect that some people will want to view cutscenes. I'm not saying to wait for them, but don't expect them to not watch the scenes.

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I would also like to note, the community in general has been VERY nice, and VERY helpful. It was just one bad apple, and in no way do I think they're representative of the community as a whole. Rather the opposite, they're the exception.

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Oh, and for those of you that I didn't directly respond to, I'm not ignoring you--I'm reading everyone's opinions, and thank you all for the input (even those who I disagree with or hold a different point of view).

Either it has rewards people want and will run it for, and thus run it quickly, or it doesn't and the content dies gating people behind Castrum unless they pay a cool $25. That's what this debate will always boil down to, every time it's brought up.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Sorry, but no. New players take precedence because they're queuing into the roulette their first time and providing you with a bonus. One or two less people wouldn't even be noticeable. The OP wasn'texpecting everyone to wait around for them. They simply wanted to watch the cut scenes in the moment, like many of us did.

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Oh trust me, I like bonuses, and I assume you are simply taking the story context and that is fine. But if this is a general statement, like we should wait for new people, sorry but that bonus is not worth 45 mins, nor do I need poetics to begin with. If I was forced to make a decision after joining the DF, stay there for 45 min + or leave, i'd take the penalty and do my crafters or w/e I need to do. WT stickers is also not worth it as well, I get plenty while doing what I planned on doing anyway (like leveling roulette) If I wanted farm for poetics/ stickers in an effective matter, I got primal pfs I can look for. If I am not busy, I have no issues with helping people for the sake of doing so, and in that situation I simply wouldn't care what happens.

I do think some posts are missing the story context and just giving general statements on the issue itself. The quote given at the END of the DF (some people spoke about kicking, can't kick in this situation)

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next time... especially as a tank.... don't freaking view cutscenes when you can view all of them after
i usually view cutscenes too but you're being really rude by doing nothing half the dungeon

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Now usually I speak about this during the run, but not everyone has good social/typing skills/ ps4 issues/ whatever. This is a bit strong for my taste but you have to consider not everyone is a social butterfly. The general message should still be considered and that is think about the people you are holding up when you can go to the inn and watch the CS. However I still do not agree to such wording when the group was ok with you 2 staying behind.

I do run into this drama often and I do my best to simmer the flames for both sides. First I may say something like " this is typical speed for this run, you need to understand people done this place many times for exp bonuses or tomes and generally skip the cs and want to finish as fast as possible. At the same time, we can go on ahead and do the fights, you can't expect people wait for you while you can watch the CS later. You can watch the CS at the inn or the housing furnishings should you own an apartment/house/fc house" I had some vote kicks passed for people being too harsh on the newcomers despite me trying to settle things down. I had a vote kick pass yesterday because someone was rushing the elevators (even with the newcomers hitting CS, many did not make them.) The second time doing it I called out the person's name and ask them why they where doing that. No reply > no issue in kicking. There was also a few rare times where the newcommer was being overboard and may of kicked them, I do not remember though since it has been a while and those situations are rare. (Those are along the lines of demanding people wait for them, don't think so)

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Originally Posted by Sarteck

If people are doing Main Scenario Duty Roulette, they should expect that many players are actually watching the story. Period. Lo' and behold, those are the only dungeons that CAN be accessed from the M.S. Duty Roulette.

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Nope, I find people that play this game for story are very few, I seen newcomers skip CS on their own without a word, though I have no proof if they are simply alts doing that. I do expect new people and I do my best to accommodate them and explain the situation to them, but I will not hold up 4-6 people for 45 mins on their behalf.

@Starteck, I'm just going to post something to throw some different perspective in here; it's a personal experience and not the norm, but it's still something that did happen a few months back:

>Queue into MSQ roulette as DPS
>Got in: one new player (tank) with three buddies, one of whom is a tank and another is a healer
>Tank buddy demands we stop everything to accommodate the new player - refuses to pull, healer buddy tags along with them and refuses to heal us
>We try to go anyway, but the second healer was poorly geared being new themselves (not to the instance but still having the leaf), and there's only so much we could do, so we spent 20 minutes doing everything at the pace of NOT ACTUALLY MOVING... not even reaching the second boss in those 20 minutes (it was C. Meri btw)
>Someone inevitably snaps, insults get thrown back and forth, tank buddy jests and because, as you pointed out "we queued for a roulette and should have known new people can join, therefore we are obligated to go by their pace"
>Another someone snaps and leaves, I left second, no idea what happened next but i'd wagger everyone except the people in that premade left as well.

Now, keep in mind - most of us there having to wait were DPS jobs, and we got in after having to wait well over half an hour, only to be met with this kind of nonsense. That was a premade of FOUR PEOPLE - this happened in HW, they damn well could have just unsynced it with little issue. What did they choose to do? Queue normally to let someone enjoy the dungeon "as it was meat to be", resulting in nothing but wasted time for all people involved.

This, of course, is clearly not the same as what happened in your case - but what if you'd brought a third person with you? A tank or healer, perhaps? Then yes, you'd effectively be wasting everyone's time - only ONE of you was new, but instead of trying to find a third person to unsync with you you could choose to do as that team did, and all but hold the rest of team hostage unless they'd be willing to eat up the thirty minute penalty.

That one healer in your team, while rude AT THE END, still let you do the run slowly as you wished. Could have been nicer, could have been worse too. As could YOU have done something else. That PF argument you keep throwing around, it goes both ways.

It's not that I don't think new players don't have the right to watch cutscenes - honestly, I do. In most cases missing up to three people is barely noticeable... unless, as the healer said, the person(s) lagging behind are healers or tanks.

End note: It's an MMO :/ there's not a single game with social aspects to it that DOESN'T see this type of behavior at one point or another. That type of comment? A pinch of salt thrown at the end? Probably just a little venting, as you did here. People can have bad days, and the only thing that healer soured was the end of your run.
Sometimes people are just not in the mood to be accommodating.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Now, keep in mind - most of us there having to wait were DPS jobs, and we got in after having to wait well over half an hour, only to be met with this kind of nonsense. That was a premade of FOUR PEOPLE - this happened in HW, they damn well could have just unsynced it with little issue. What did they choose to do? Queue normally to let someone enjoy the dungeon "as it was meat to be", resulting in nothing but wasted time for all people involved.

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I'd make damn sure to report them, I do report premade abuse:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

I'd make damn sure to report them, I do report premade abuse:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

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Heck I had no idea that was reportable :/ tysm for the heads up!