Is Dissipation really that bad?

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Originally Posted by Clouse_Cleyra

Thats ofc is the only and best way to use it.
But as I answered u before you can still do the same and dont dissipate, it is and will be a mp loss. If its usable or not is a different thing

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I agree you dont always have to and you can only do it every 4th deployment anyway so dissipate isn't going to be up each time.

90s 180s 270s 360s for deploy
120.........240s..360s for dissipate

regarding the MP loss with 3 aether stacks you get

energy drain x3 for 3600 MP vs
summon for 2400 MP

so I wouldn't call it an MP loss at the very least it's just a hassle if you have to hardcast it. however you can call it a DPS loss since you will be casting summon instead of Broils.

the 3 aether stacks also count towards your fairy gauge if you can wait 20seconds and summon your fairy again) and also your aether trait

Dissipation is one of those Extremly situational skills that you rarely use, than when the times for it to shine comes, you just forget it exists.

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Originally Posted by Nowakii

Dissipation is one of those Extremly situational skills that you rarely use, than when the times for it to shine comes, you just forget it exists.

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if you mean waiting for things to go south before popping dissipate to give you extra lustrates.. that's not the optimal way to use it. the best way to use dissipate is with largess and deployed adlo in preparation for back to back aoe damage (largess has the same cd with deployment at 90s). you plan it's use ahead with your fairy cooldowns. removing your fairy when things go bad is the last thing you want to do.

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Originally Posted by paoweeotter

if you mean waiting for things to go south before popping dissipate to give you extra lustrates.. that's not the optimal way to use it. the best way to use dissipate is with largess and deployed adlo in preparation for back to back aoe damage. you plan it's use ahead with your fairy cooldowns. removing your fairy when things go bad is the last thing you want to do.

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You keep saying this....that is honestly one of the most wasteful combination of cool downs I've seen for SCH.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

You keep saying this....that is honestly one of the most wasteful combination of cool downs I've seen for SCH.

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when do you use 20% magic damage reduction? why is largess adlo a waste of combo cooldowns? isn't that why you pop sacred soil asylum and collective uc. during raid busters? when do you use your illum and covenant

8man savage context

when o1s does Charybdis and 2 back to back roars that's when I use fey covenant and/or illum. I don't dissipate yet because we've only downed the boss once so I'm not that confident yet. is my choice of ability use a waste in this instance?

Charybdis plus raid buster has a long cast time. my buffs are definitely not going to waste because they will be up when it matters.

it can be a waste however if I try to do the same thing after downburst > lebinbolt > raid buster because everyone may not be in range , the fairy has animation lock, AND this certain mechanic happens faster than the Charybdis phase

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Originally Posted by paoweeotter

if you mean waiting for things to go south before popping dissipate to give you extra lustrates.. that's not the optimal way to use it. the best way to use dissipate is with largess and deployed adlo in preparation for back to back aoe damage (largess has the same cd with deployment at 90s). you plan it's use ahead with your fairy cooldowns. removing your fairy when things go bad is the last thing you want to do.

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And again, you can do the same without using Dissipation, you can still adlo+deploy+crit+all the other buffs u said.
Dissipation is not needed for those skills o.o

I think its the 3rd time.

What jeri says is you dont wanna burn down all your defensive spells in one shot. The fight lasts more than 1 attack.
And for Chary I think I just use Indom, and Succor with Ilumination or Largess (only 1 of them) and its all good, roar doesnt make that damage.

Also you saying you dont use Dissipation because you still arent very confortable, thats exactly what I mean, when u already have a fight in farm you dont need all the little details you need when you are in progression, the fight is already easy and you know it well, there you can do w/e you want.

The important part of the kit is what you use when you are on progressions and suffering.

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Originally Posted by paoweeotter

when do you use 20% magic damage reduction? why is largess adlo a waste of combo cooldowns? isn't that why you pop sacred soil asylum and collective uc. during raid busters? when do you use your illum and covenant?

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You're burning cool downs to set up a large amount of healing while simultaneously limiting the amount of damage your group will be taking. Do you really not see how that might be wasteful, especially factoring in content design and the probable existence of a second healer?

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

You're burning cool downs to set up a large amount of healing while simultaneously limiting the amount of damage your group will be taking. Do you really not see how that might be wasteful, especially factoring in content design and the probable existence of a second healer?

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I edited my post to give concrete examples. how would you change or improve it?

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Originally Posted by paoweeotter

I edited my post to give concrete examples. how would you change or improve it?

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How would I change it? Don't burn everything, or nearly everything in your Arsenal to counter a single ability. Effective healing is keeping everyone alive with the fewest resources invested at any given time.

I agree with jerichai, charybdis doesnt require you using all your skills to heal through unless you and you are healing the whole group and your co-healer isn't doing jack squat which probably is not the case and then your just wasting everything you have on one mechanic. i personally only do indom on that fight and let my co-healer handle the rest and ill throw one succor for safe measures.
also yeah if your just learning a fight i can see dissipation being more useful instead of a farm group so im confused on your thought process i suppose when your on farm you use all those free aetherflow on energy drain but still weird thinking.