Scholar Fixes

Here would be my suggestions:

1. Give a cast time to both Lust and Indom so they can be cast whenever. Keep the aether stacks and let those spells be buffed, insta, and mp free versions of them.
2. Barring that, make the aether stacks regen when using other spells, but keep the base insta 3 stacks with maybe a slightly longer CD. EG: every time you use Physick, you gain half a stack or some such.
3. Every time you use a stack of aether, a healing buff should be applied. This should be stacking and we should be allowed to then spend the stack on other spells like MP regen.
4. Exco should place a shield on the target if it isn't used in time.
5. Broil could heal the lowest HP person for a certain amount of the damage done.
6. They should cut the MP costs on Aldo and Succ. xP

I'm leveling a WHM as we speak. It's crap to already see the 'sch need not apply' in the party finder lists. =.=

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Originally Posted by Supersun

You mean besides the fact that they took a baseball bat to both Aldoquiem, the Fairy, and Scholar's MP regeneration? Like, all the things that made Scholar amazing in HW...

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Can't argue that Adlo has gotten a very significant increase in MP cost, but maybe you should take the hint that it's not meant to be a spamable skill.
Spamming Adlo was already a noob trap in ARR/HW and left you OOM quick.

Lucid Dreaming restores roughly 1k MP per tick (960 if I'm not mistaken) * 7 ticks = ~7k MP every 2 minutes, or 3.5k MP per minute. Now this is all for current values, so this is going to get worse as we get more gear. You have roughly 18k MP as SCH. So every minute you restore 1.8k (Aetherflow) + 3.5k (Lucid Dreaming) = 5.3k MP per minutes as opposed to 3.6k MP per minutes if you had old Aetherflow and no Lucid Dreaming. So you MP regeneration actually got buffed, unless you refuse to take LD, but that's only on you.
And I know it's not part of SCH's kit and it helps the other healers just as well, but Mana Shift and Refresh are a thing, and they are strong. So if you really are hurting that much for MP you might want to consider taking a support role into your progression (which you very likely already do anyway).

The Fairy nerf was roughly 17% on Embrace and Fey Illumination getting reduced from 20% to 10% (which was a bigger help for your co-healer anyway). That's by no means nerfed to the ground.

And only these 3 things made SCH amazing? It's whole kit was and still is amazing, but it's less on auto pilot.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

I'll tell you a secret about Sacred Soil, it's pointless unless people are in danger of being 1 shotted

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Now I really am convinced you never did any serious raid content. Sacred Soil has seen so many uses. J-Waves, Holy Bleed, Whirlwind, and many other AoEs which you can make so much easier to heal through would like to have a word with you.
Also, not everyone will always be topped for every mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

does Whm have amazing AoE healing because Scholar will be using their stacks on Indom instead of Sacred Soil 99% of the time....oh yeah.

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I'm not sure where you are getting at here? But SCH has the ability to reduce incoming damage so the other healer can heal up. It's not a one man show (unless you are solo healing).

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Originally Posted by Supersun

Does Whm have healing that requires 0 MP and 0 GCDs? Benediction, Tetra, Assize, Assylum, ect...

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You mean those skills that are all on a fairly long CD and have a combined lower HPS than the fairy? Besides the point that these are not directly comparable as the fairy and WHM's oGCD heals have different uses.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

Let's ask a better question? Does Scholar have a Cure II? Can Scholar cast that Cure II for free every so often? Can Scholar cast a free Stoneskin after that Cure II. Oh right, Scholars are stuck spamming Physic...

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Does SCH need a Cure 2? Or is one healer "spamming" their stronger heal enough?
I don't really like the comparison but if you account for Physick + Embrace (roughly 170 real potency) you end up with a 570 potency heal. I know the fairy has a 3 second GCD. But it's pretty clear that WHM and SCH have different approaches to heal people. And as chance would have it, the synergize really well.

The impression I get from a lot of "SCH" is that if their job is not the 100% mandatory healer for progression (and even then, see HW launch), they think their job is underpowered.

I would like to ask, why do you want buffs that homogenize healers? Seriously...

I can understand Sacred Soil not needing a stack of Aetherflow since it competes with Indomitability and I completely agree with that.
I do think that Dissipation should be buffed and I think adding -50% MP cost for your spells should be enough since it would allow you to spam heals.
Maybe add a new AoE filler spell for SCH would be nice too
Make Fey Union and Excogitation less clunky and a bit more powerful

But some stuff is stupidly broken, like a 5% damage buff for 20 seconds every 60 or 90 or just asking abilities from other healers. I don't know, but when I change healer I want to play another class, not a reskinned WHM.

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Originally Posted by Xygoz

Can you be more specific? none of the potency increase beat WHM heals values nor are we getting any more healing ability's, if your think having more lustrates is op then just look at cure 2 is there a limit how often you can cast it?

As far as the changes to selene I can see some of your point, the recast on them can be high but to say it out buffs and astro...

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A 600 potency insta cast heal on a 10 sec cd that cost no mp only 1 atherflow stack

You added 2 more damage buffs when you already have 15% crit and 1 of those fairy skill damage buffs will be up at all times

Your idea of dissipation is is dumb not like insanely op dumb( it prob is op) but like are you even trying dumb...all you did was make another atherflow skill and tape the name dissipation on it.

Sch dose NOT NEED HEALING potency increased it needs better shields

Your not even trying balance sch your just trying make it better then the rest of healers

Changes I think sch needs are

Adlo *needs to be insta cast maybe cost less mp and needs to have a stronger shield(not a stronger heal)

Dissipation* instead killing eos off make it so she is just tired and sits on the floor for 15-30 sec and gets up after timer runs out...you could also delete the insta aoe heal they have and put it on this skill that way it makes it look like eos gave everything she had to keep the party alive

Succor needs stronger shields (aga in not heals) not much stronger but just a lil

Embrace should give a small damage reduction buff OR add a heal potency buff to embrace to make ( I like potency buff better) that way eos can't do all work on her own but it makes healing easyer on the sch

Sacred soil (one thig I agree with you on) needs to not cost atherflow make it on cast take 30 points off the fairy bar and every tick take away 2 points or somthing that way it dose cost somthing to use but can be used longer and saves you a atherflow

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Originally Posted by simiii

A 600 potency insta cast heal on a 10 sec cd that cost no mp only 1 atherflow stack

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My bad 400 not 600

This is my flavor on the OP post and some other threads. While maybe a bit much all together..

Adloquium and Succor: Give succor the adlo crit chance, and increase potency by 50 on each. Both should come down in MP cost a bit, esspecially if Succor does not have the crit chance.
Sacred Soil: Remove AF stack cost, increase reduction to 20-25%, CD increase from 30s to 60-90s
Physick: 10-15% chance of procing a half cost succor or adlo
Dissipation: Get rid of healing buff or make it affect AF abilities. Give 3 AF stacks, AF abilities give 20 gauge for 30 seconds. Do not kill off the fairy, or allow a single instant free fairy summon of choice for 10 seconds after the buff wears off. If fairy goes away, make AF abilities increase the fairy gauge.
Fey Union: Increase range to 20y and provide a aoe regen of 250 for Eos and a single target 350 potency DoT for Selene, each would tick once every 3 seconds.
Excogition:
A. Proc for a shield at end of timer, or
B. While on CD, pressing button again will trigger heal, or
C. Heal goes off after timer, or
D. Increase timer to 1 minute, preferably in combo with A or C.
Quickened Aetherflow: Grant 2 extra AF stacks or give AF abilities a fair chance of consuming no aether stacks.
Selene:
Silent Dusk: Give her a weakened version of old virus, or a aoe dot to make up for bane
Fey Wind: Increase speed from 3% to 5%
Eos:
Fey Covenant: Include physical defense
Chain Strategem: Increase length to 20s

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Originally Posted by simiii

A 600 potency insta cast heal on a 10 sec cd that cost no mp only 1 atherflow stack

You added 2 more damage buffs when you already have 15% crit and 1 of those fairy skill damage buffs will be up at all times

Your idea of dissipation is is dumb not like insanely op dumb( it prob is op) but like are you even trying dumb...all you did was make another atherflow skill and tape the name dissipation on it.

Sch dose NOT NEED HEALING potency increased it needs better shields

Your not even trying balance sch your just trying make it better then the rest of healers

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your acting like the 15% crit chance buff is god level teir, which it isn't. As for the fairy buffs change the cooldown to make them longer I didn't list a cooldown for a reason. dissipation I don't see it being insanely op on a 2 min recast see how the only buff to it is not killing off the fairy.

if your think any of these changes make scholar more powerful then the other 2 in heals then I don't think you understand the gap between the healers atm. A lot of people on these forms can only see thing from a raiding point of view healers need to work at all levels of play.

Just a simple examination of the basic healing spell for each healing job:

SCH: Physick : 600 mp for 400 potency heal
WHM: Cure 1 : 600 mp for 450 potency heal, proc Freecure
NOCT: Benefic1: 480 mp for 460 potency heal, procs Enhanced Benefic II.
DIUR: Benefic1: 480 mp for 440 potency heal, procs Enhanced Benefic II.

When sch had twice the mp recovery of other healers, it was fine for them to have grossly inefficient healing spells, but this is no longer the case.
SE broke so many things with scholar this expansion, I'm quite speechless.
For the first time in 4 years, I'm looking to give up scholar, not because something else is more fun (it certainly isn't), but because I don't like having to work twice as hard for half the effect of another job. sch had a high skill ceiling, but it was worth it. now, it still has a high skill ceiling, but it is most definitively not.

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Originally Posted by Xygoz

if your think any of these changes make scholar more powerful then the other 2 in heals then I don't think you understand the gap between the healers atm. A lot of people on these forms can only see thing from a raiding point of view healers need to work at all levels of play.

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That's the thing I'm not trying make it "more powerful" then the other 2 healers ast obviously needs nerfs and if you increase the dps buffs from sch then your going dumpster whm.
And I said idk if your version of dissipation would be op or not I just said it was dumb.

And ik the gap rly well sch is trash in dungeons but good in raids and whm is trash in raids while good in dungeons and ast is just op in everything.