Please fix or remove housing!

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Eh, you can get around that with an FC. And making houses FC only wouldn't have stopped people from getting multiple house either because of that.



I have six. Alts with access, not houses. Only 3 houses.

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Firstly, I agree. RMT groups and greedy individuals - or even just individuals with a specific purpose, would just as easily have ranked up an FC on an alt to get extra houses. Even if they added a restriction to 1 house per FC, and only 1 personally owned FC per account; Someone would buy numerous accounts to get around this. But ya know what? A hell of a lot more plots would be available right now!

And with regards to your 6 alts and 3 houses: More power to ya, but you are only ever actually enjoying and present in one of those houses at a time. Even if you run multiple instances of the game, you are only ever sending input and interacting with one of those instances - and only one of those houses - at a time....

Meanwhile whole FCs and tons of other people don't even have one.

And you think that's fair? (Not expecting an answer, you obviously do - though too many people don't.)

Without going too off topic, what is your opinion of airships or the company workshop? That's "content being blocked" in a sense if you don't have an active FC. I've gotten around this by my family making alts (we all play on the same server) and leveling up our own personal FC (not to rub it in, truly) but would this be the next thing to pop up as a demand to fix?

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

Without going too off topic, what is your opinion of airships or the company workshop? That's "content being blocked" in a sense if you don't have an active FC. I've gotten around this by my family making alts (we all play on the same server) and leveling up our own personal FC (not to rub it in, truly) but would this be the next thing to pop up as a demand to fix?

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Actually it's part of the 'content being blocked' that I'm referring to!

I am the 'Leader' of a FC on Sarg (I don't think of it as my personal FC, because I'm not the only one in it. All our members contribute to the FC and make it what it is). We have 6-7 regular active members, and another 15 who are a bit more casual. We're a rank 8 FC, and we do get the buffs. But with out a house, you don't get a company workshop, and you don't get airships and exploratory missions. We all had been in FCs which had far too many people with regard to the number of individuals who can access said content at a time. We all had been far too late, and far too removed from the upper echelons of said FCs, to get access.

If that wasn't the case, we could all just go join an FC that has these things already right? Except 99% of the time those facilities are blocked to the mass population of an FC. The founding few, or friends and favored - get access and control. Its not just the company workshop and exploratory missions, its also gardening, and the works!

Fixing this so all FCs can have a house, makes it so that players aren't forced into larger FCs and/or to deal with pre-established groups; while new and smaller FCs can utilize those facilities (i.e. Company Workshop, Airships, Gardens). Private homes don't get some of those things, which is EXACTLY why I feel FC housing is far more important than private housing.

And I, for one, would also like to experience BUILDING the airships and the FC - not just joining in 3 years later to everything being done already.

I don't know. It almost seems like you want all the benefits of being on a low pop server while also enjoying the high pop server benefits. You can't have both and IMO you shouldn't ask that the game be fundamentally changed to suit that. Best of luck to you. Personally I can't be on board with this.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

I don't know. It almost seems like you want all the benefits of being on a low pop server while also enjoying the high pop server benefits. You can't have both and IMO you shouldn't ask that the game be fundamentally changed to suit that. Best of luck to you. Personally I can't be on board with this.

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So I assume that you 100% completely disagree with the cross-world party finder? Cuz that's giving low-pop servers the benefits of high-pop servers via fundamentally changing the nature of the game with regard to individual/segregated servers, in order to do so.

I demand all the benefits that come with my subscription; Housing included. I can't be on board with someone who thinks otherwise, or who fancies themselves more deserving than others. But I do thank you for your opinion.

[QUOTE=Evol;3996162]So I assume that you 100% completely disagree with the cross-world party finder? Cuz that's giving low pop-servers the benefits of high-pop servers via fundamentally changing the nature of the game with regard to individual/segregated servers, in order to do so.
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Entirely different thing and you know it. Only way you could claim it was the same thing is if housing wards were also cross server. Housing is included with your subscription...on a different server.

I also guarantee that the very second a lot opens up and you obtain it that we never hear a peep from you about this again.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

Entirely different thing and you know it. Only way you could claim it was the same thing is if housing wards were also cross server. Housing is included with your subscription...on a different server.

I also guarantee that the very second a lot opens up and you obtain it that we never hear a peep from you about this again.

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Its not an entirely different thing. Don't like the low pop on your server? Can never find anyone to party? "Boohoo. Transfer to another server or roll an alt or whatever!" These were your words!

Its the same exact thing. People aren't able to access content because player population is too low on their server. So SE is implementing the Cross-World Party Finder features to alleviate that problem, so that players don't have to roll alts on different servers or pay for a transfer. Those players are also "included with their subscription....on a different server."

You seem to be very tunneled into your own personal opinion (like me, admittedly), though your opinion seems to simply be disregarding everyone else and trying to argue every point I've made. You are not thinking objectively about the issue, and are contradicting yourself several times over.

And you're wrong. I'll continue to support this topic until it is resolved. Not just for me, but for everyone. After all, I started this topic. Our FC getting a plot isnt going to make it disappear.

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Originally Posted by Evol

And with regards to your 6 alts and 3 houses: More power to ya, but you are only ever actually enjoying and present in one of those houses at a time. Even if you run multiple instances of the game, you are only ever sending input and interacting with one of those instances - and only one of those houses - at a time....

Meanwhile whole FCs and tons of other people don't even have one.

And you think that's fair? (Not expecting an answer, you obviously do - though too many people don't.)

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You used a pretty poor argument to try to say it's not fair. I'm not going to explain why, but suffice to say that it's clear it's coming from someone who doesn't actually participate in housing.

Yes, it's not fair. It's also not my problem. Ask Square Enix to provide more housing to you if you really want one. That's what you're paying them for, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You used a pretty poor argument to try to say it's not fair. I'm not going to explain why, but suffice to say that it's clear it's coming from someone who doesn't actually participate in housing.

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Well you are partially correct and partially not correct. Yes I do not currently participate in plot-based housing, though I have an apartment. I also was in an FC previously that had a medium and I got to do plenty with it. However, the leader of that FC and several of our members did not get along. So we moved into our own FC and lost the housing. That was an exception too, because I've been in several FCs with housing where I was not allowed any part of it other than to donate gil and purchase private chambers.

My argument is absolutely perfect - you have a hold on 3 houses. 3 of them. There are plenty of people and FCs who do not have one at all. Are you the reason for this? No, of course not. However, its still not fair. And regardless of any reason why you think you should get to have 3 houses all to yourself, whether it be gil farming (by using missions and gardening in all three houses), putting on plays for the community, whatever - there is nothing someone who get's to experience housing in its entirety can say, to validate what you just said. There is nothing about housing that makes it ok for you to have 3, while others have none. There is nothing you know about housing that I do not.

While your garden plots are maturing at all 3 houses, you're not even there. If you are, you are only at 1 of them at one time. This applies to any mechanic that comes with housing. Even if 3 individual players are all having a party at each of your 3 houses... YOU are only in one of them at a time.

So please, do explain it. Because those of us that do not understand that which you refuse to explain, are exactly the ones that are voicing our opinions and our concerns in this thread.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Yes, it's not fair. It's also not my problem. Ask Square Enix to provide more housing to you if you really want one. That's what you're paying them for, isn't it?

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Though you voiced yourself in this thread, which was - believe it or not - explicitly created so that SE would hear us! So you're not telling me to do anything that I'm not already doing.

Maybe you don't like being pointed out for having 3 houses, but then again you're the one that decided to say so in a thread explicitly created to voice concerns about the unfair housing system.

It shouldn't surprise you at all.

They are paying for extra characters, so they should have the same restrictions as the main character. Nerfing in any sort of way is not the solution, SE fixing the issue and creating more houses is the solution.