Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

Guys, I am not discrediting anyone else's information but the only thing I hear from this post from the very start is that macros especially the ones I made in the video do not work. First Judge_Nero, I was not pressing the button on my tool bar with the macro button at my very fastest as this is based on the individual player, so if you think that based solely on my demo of doing the macros on the slow pace to demonstrate how to properly and correctly do it signifies it actually being used in its final form, this is not correct.

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What do you mean by the macros "work"? They can work in the sense that it fires off the correct skills. But it doesn't work in the sense of maximizing DPS. What you need to prove is that your macros can maximize DPS compariable to someone that doesn't use the macros. What good will these macros be if they cause you to fail DPS checks?

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

If you clearly see me in that video showing me pulling off the macro, you will clearly see me pressing the button casually and not even smashing the button at my fastest rate: https://youtu.be/w1OaUR0ZAg4?t=206 If you like, please make a video you using my macro correctly while pressing the button at your fastest rate and then tell me it wont work. Again, until then it this disproves not one thing!

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I'd just like to point out that you were actually provided with perfect side-by-side video comparison by another poster. Maybe you overlooked it: https://youtu.be/czzLF4IfFaM?t=255
The difference is very visible between the two sides. Using macros has a compounding delay effect that leads to flat 5-10% dps loss depending on your latency and button mashing compared to queueing GCDs normally.

We do not need to copy your macros to know they are garbage for doing actual content.. we aren't trying to bully you... we are trying to help you.. the burden of proof is on you.. you have to show it keeps up with other monks in dps... you can't just say things this bold and not have some form of proof? What was the whole point of your video? Was it to show that if you mash a button enough times that things will happen? If that was your point then you did a good job.. as far as showing how this works in a dungeon or raid.. you haven't proved anything...

Yes, your macros work in the sense they are functional. Is it optimal? Is it competitive? Absolutely not. You are essentially fighting a losing battle against a whole thread that is telling you why it is wrong with examples where not one person has agreed with you that it works in a competitive playing field. Maybe if you did your own research you'd find youtube videos where this has been tested somewhat extensively throughout the entirety of 2.0 and it all leads to the same conclusion - you do not macro your rotation. At the end of the day if this is how you want to play, that is fine but two things:
1. Don't claim you are "teaching" people through macros where a whole thread is telling you why this is wrong to do so.
2. Expect invites being thrown at you to do serious content when there is evidence out there that both mechanically and parse wise you are losing DPS.

To be honest I think this is a thinly veiled "My $15. My play style. Parsers are bad." thread and you managed to get a lot of bites. 10/10 though good job.

I think someone already mentioned in this thread somewhere about reaching 60 first then try your macro on the SSS(Stone Sky Sea). If your macro can pass the dummy dps test, then it means your macro is good enough for the raiding contents or any fight that require better dps. If not, I would say that it probably enough for those normal dungeon run?

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

Did you even watch my video? I did a complete demonstration my rotation on the very end of my video: https://youtu.be/w1OaUR0ZAg4?t=543 What are you talking about?

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i watched it, and there's lots of downtime,where you're not using GCD skills, when you can, so through that demonstration you lost at least 1 GCD. over the course of a 10min fight, you'd loose like 30 GCDs, which means you weren't DPSing for 1min.
That's more than 100'000 damage you didn't do, because macro. You'd have to pull out a lv3 LB from thin air, to compensate.
so....stop fooling yourself :)
Macros used to be ok, but then they made it so fractional seconds...DON'T work, which is what ruined macros.
Also macros completely disregard your SS....which is the point of Greased Lightning; macroing monk, is nerfing the monk.

also the fact that you disabled comments, just shows you're only interested in your own opinion, and unable to take in ideas from other ppl.

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

I created this video to help new players and veterans alike on macros I created with a rotation guide. I apologize the for the Audio but I have notes into my main 3 macros that I use and I hope it helps others. If you have have any comments on the information I have made on the video, I humble ask you to test the macros yourself and do a honest comparison before throw my information out of hand. I hope it helps others!

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Sorry to blow up your little bubble but macros are the worst you can do for several reasons like:
-macros have no queueing (DPS loss from delays)
-less control when to use your CDs (DPS loss in general but problematic in fights with DPS checks)
-you are using complete useless CDs in your macro who delays the skills even further

Also CD spam:
- You use useless CDs who have just use in specific situations or never
- Your usefull CDs will wear off early if not in the right order (DPS loss)
- With GL3 you only can weave in 1 oGCD between 2 GCDs or you will clip into your next GCD window and delay your next GCD even further (DPS loss)

There is a very excellent guide out there: Monk guide
Also there are some usefull spreadsheets out there which will show you a proper rotation with opener, which you didn't use and can't use with the delays from the macros: Monk rotation with opener

Honestly, compared to people who doesn't even know how to do the proper rotations (either don't bother learning them, or can't put in enough time to practice them), this macro is probably a step up. I haven't personally tested this, but I imagine losing a GCD every 10 is not going to make him the worst player you will encounter in df. He is not going to be "good", but I'm sure it will be adequate enough for most (but not all) content.

The skill bloat is something that SE has acknowledged to be a problem that they will address in the future. If by using this, someone who doesn't have a lot of time or just want to play the game leisurely can improve their overall dps (because learning the proper rotation is easier when there are much fewer buttons to press), I don't see the harm. This does more or less precludes them from improving further if they want to start tackling more serious content in the future, unless they relearn everything from scratch again. In other words, this is not really a training wheel into the proper way of dpsing, so that's the downside. But if they are sure that they are never going to do those harder contents...why not?

Having said that, I do think the OP should put a large disclaimer that this is not the optimal way to play, in the first post and in his video.

This topic triggers me to the next level.

You're trying to convince a community of players, where most of us have been playing since 1.0 or 2.0 and have raided, that macroing your skills is an appropriate way to do competitive dps. The community is telling you that after substantial testing, trial and error, and extensive research over 3+ years shows that your method is wrong and not a competitive or appropriate way to play. Simple as that yet you refuse to accept that and still push your video believing everyone to be wrong or assuming they have not watched your video. I watched your video and I am telling you that you are wrong. Sorry, that is just the way it is.