A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Auteur

Meanwhile for everyone new and catching up, still stuck grinding ARF over and over and wading through the MSQ wall. Already seeing "farm only" groups for new content and pretty much resigned to the possibility I'll have to write off this patch due to catch up.

The upshot: people like OP, don't ruin the game for the rest of us.

---

It's not difficult to make your own party finder. Pretty stupid to not do the new stuff because others are making farm parties.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DuskTS

Now we wait and see if the clear percentages make any substantial increase this tier. If it's below 5% I heard they're axing hardcore raids once and for all.

---

I pray not. Don't even scare me like that.

SE already destroyed PVP, the other thing I loved, likely beyond repair. If raids go too I won't be able to justify my sub just for Wondrous Tails, Gold Saucer, and pretty, easy dungeons like Xelphatol. Would have to suck it up and go to WoW with friends which I don't want to do.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

It's not difficult to make your own party finder. Pretty stupid to not do the new stuff because others are making farm parties.

---

^

Was getting A5s learning parties in early September from drawing on FC mates and friends.

Stop complaining about it being too easy, or next expansion we'll get Gordias 2.0.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Velhart

You know SE, you want to dumb down raids more? That is fine. Just don't call it Savage anymore. If my group, and several other groups can clear A9S within two hours without a strategy to back us up, that is not Savage.

They say the dumbing down was to compensate the "complex" lv.60 rotations. I am going to call them out on this. They are going to go back to their charts and numbers and go "Ohh more people are beating it, that means it needs to be this way now." and keep it like this for 4.0.

Don't worry guys, we will continue to dumb down Savage till it is easier than Story mode!

---

a bit exaggerating there :P dont u think :P

(wows mythic end boss has been downd on first day so :P )

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

That depends on the % of players being engaged by end-game content and the % clearing end-game content. In that regard, the last Alex Savage round was a pretty harsh failure with stupidly low completion rates.

A super hardcore group beat the new raid quickly. But will mid-core groups fair so well? Seems like the last tier is already a long term raiding goal for those groups, making this new tier an even longer term goal, yes?

---

Definitely. Like I said, it's far too early to make any definitives on whether Savage has become "too easy." We'll have a better idea come 3.5, especially if clear rates are substantially higher. Gordias and Midas were abysmal. If nothing else, this may help the rate scene recover enough that if they did decide to scale it up against (not to previous levels), people might be more open to attempting it.

Trying to stop the world first raiders from clearing too fast has been a mistake for their raid design for a while now.

This is a better direction in my opinion.

If people want to clear it that fast, let them. Why care. The rest of us will just enjoy the content and do it at our own pace. There is really no need to worry about it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Khemorex

a bit exaggerating there :P dont u think :P

(wows mythic end boss has been downd on first day so :P )

---

I might have to indicate when I am joking and not joking.

And what is to exaggerate? SE is very open in saying that they will tone down the difficulty of raids till they see the percentage they want.

SE should better study on why raiding isn't a big thing. Their solution currently is just turn down the difficulty when solutions are more about the content around it more than the actual content itself. The game offers little to no challenge around raiding. You have Primal EX and....that is it. Barely anything requires you to be more than at the skill floor of your job.

I would argue that SE should worry about high activity rate in Savage as opposed to clears. If you have people jumping in the content at a high rate, then you did something right to motivate them despite it's difficulty. Something like a proper reward structure, previous content that build up your skills/confidence to try raiding, and so on. These are not strongly present in the game currently.

I welcome the change.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Velhart

I would argue that SE should worry about high activity rate in Savage as opposed to clears. If you have people jumping in the content at a high rate, then you did something right to motivate them despite it's difficulty. Something like a proper reward structure, previous content that build up your skills/confidence to try raiding, and so on. These are not strongly present in the game currently.

---

Out of curiosity, how would you boost activity? I think we can both agree that "nice gear" won't be enough for people to really push their anxieties and abilities and give hardcore raiding a go - it doesn't really work for WoW, after all, the quintessence of instanced raiding focus.