Job Auto-leveling: Yes or No?

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10-24-2011, 05:21 AM
Razor

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You really want auto 50 on classes ? I think jobs should not need to be leveled, as they should be an extension of of there class in some manner. With your claims of what is needed to play a class, you in particular need to level any class you want to play just so you can learn to play it.

My point, to be on topic, I see no need to have to level a job when you leveld the classes required to unlock it.

Because someone who started a topic wanting jobs to have EXP bars in addition to class EXP bars would want classes to automatically become 50, that makes sense. Please look into the stance of the person you're about to strawman before doing so.

That aside, as a mage you should understand just as well as I do that a plain 50 GLA is drastically inferior to a multi-skilled GLA. Unless you do no party content that is, I'm not sure, since I don't know you (See what I did there?). And while I agree with most of the other people that grinding a class for years =/= having any skill in the class. At least needing to be in several parties on your trip to 50 at least exposes you to party gameplay. An issue I personally have with the leveling process is when I'm shouting for people for content (Because I do actually play with people outside my Linkshell, golly-gee-willikers) is I have no way to tell how experienced they are. I'll agree with everyone that time =/= skill but at least on XI when I found a 75 PLD I knew he had to be at least decent at tanking otherwise he wouldn't be 75. I also realize that XI's long-grind system kicked the casual out of any potential player and crapped on it.

My propsal combined the best of both (again, my opinion) of being able to get something to 50 easily (casual) so you can at least do end game content. But having an additional challenge added to distinguish people and give those who want to take their playstyle to the next level something to show for it.
10-24-2011, 05:27 AM
kensredemption

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Originally Posted by Etheos

You really shouldn't go around forums spitting out stuff like this and not include quotes or links to where you saw it. This is just terrible. WHY in the world would they completely destroy our progress of the year and just delete these classes. If you cannot provide links or proof of your sayings here I will take it as you have no idea what you are talking about. I am sure others will agree with me when I say that it is people like yourself that are trying to ruin this game.

You got my vote.
10-24-2011, 05:28 AM
Reliquia

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Originally Posted by Etheos

You really shouldn't go around forums spitting out stuff like this and not include quotes or links to where you saw it. This is just terrible. WHY in the world would they completely destroy our progress of the year and just delete these classes. If you cannot provide links or proof of your sayings here I will take it as you have no idea what you are talking about. I am sure others will agree with me when I say that it is people like yourself that are trying to ruin this game.

I agree with you, but the question is "how hard is it going to be to balance both jobs and classes and at the same time give them both purpose?". I don't hate the armory system, I just personally don't think that it's a superior system to the job system in the sense of promoting challenging end-game content. I think this is pretty much why jobs are being introduced.
10-24-2011, 05:29 AM
Tempestmoon

If jobs had their own exp Bar, they wouldn't be Jobs. they would be additional CLASSES!... what you really want OP is more classes. As far as jobs go you have to take the point of view of a new player. New content for older players is tainted in a way. For new players it is something to look forward to. Old players that have done everything it's a five minute job, yay I've done it. Now I am bored again.

All will be better with 2.0, there will be loads of content. More classes, Jobs, more events, quests, missions. That is the time when every one new and old will be happy and active.
10-24-2011, 05:35 AM
Etheos

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Originally Posted by Reliquia

I agree with you, but the question is "how hard is it going to be to balance both jobs and classes and at the same time give them both purpose?". I don't hate the armory system, I just personally don't think that it's a superior system to the job system in the sense of promoting challenging end-game content. I think this is pretty much why jobs are being introduced.

To be completely honest, I haven't really thought at all about how the jobs are going to be integrated into this game because there isn't really a need to worry about it at the moment. It really is not going to stop our progress of our current goals in the game today. When I do think about it I always have to remind myself that I haven't honestly read anything from SE that states anything worthwhile on the future of these classes/jobs. Yes, we do know that they are coming eventually to the game and that is such a great idea!

I would love nothing more than to start leveling my PLD today! However, in the game today, I have to focus on building a hybrid setup for a PLD. This is actually keeping me pretty busy with building parties, doing research on what abilities I need at what level, where to party at what level, ETC ETC. With a plate full of activities, I honestly can't see a reason to start wondering/pondering on how I am going to adjust to the new jobs. I have faith in SE with the products in the past and I am sure the way they will integrate this content will done in the proper manner and will make sense when it happens.
10-24-2011, 05:47 AM
Coglin

The way I see it, if you can unlock jobs at 30, like they said, and jobs will only have a handfull of specialty spells that variate from the class. At least, thats how I understand it. Then I see no reason to level both class and job from 30-50.
10-24-2011, 05:54 AM
Akumu

I see no reason to have to reach lv30 then level from 1-50 just to do endgame content. My Dragoon will already be using my lancer abilities anyway(or most) with probably some stat adjustments. I highly doubt my ability to be an effective Dragoon will be much different than a Lancer just because I did not re-level from 1-50. This game does not need such a grind added and goes against it being a Themepark Endgame MMO(at least with Yoshi calling it a theme park and endgame MMO in different interviews).
10-24-2011, 06:13 AM
Tremain

Got my vote!
I prefer jobs to have their own exp bar.
10-24-2011, 06:55 AM
Bigcatman

Is anyone else REALLY sick of seeing all of the damn pumpkin hat icons? I know I am. Worst idea ever SE, to make your avatar reflect what seasonal gear you have on.
10-24-2011, 06:58 AM
Arngrim

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Originally Posted by Razor

Like this post if you feel Jobs SHOULD NOT have thier own EXP separate from classes The way it is currently being planned. Job level will automatically become whatever the respective class level is.

This is where my vote stands! :)

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