Tank enimity below 30 is lacking

Recently since the patch I've noticed a hard(er) time keeping hate on pld, but it's more in the 26-38 level range, where dps are getting there 3rd combo hits and i'm still lacking shield oath,

the issue I find is that even if I flash 3 times in the 3 gcds its taken to do that the dps have put out a full combo so already right behind me on hate, and it usually takes another 3 gcds for me to get my hate combo out on one of the mobs, which poses a problem if the dps are doing what a lot of dps do and attacking different ones for whatever reason. in even if I split savage and halone across 2 mobs its till 3 gcds where the dps have put out a second full combo. so end up being likely to lose 1 of them.

see the same when I play brd in the same level ranges, where just my 2 dots will put me on the verge of red hate on a mob that's been flashed 3 times..

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

Oh no! Heaven forbid people have to learn the absolute fundamentals of the job before things get a little easier.

I dunno about you or anyone else, but I'd rather have tanks who know how to deal with that i210 SMN who tears everything off of them in their Aetherochemical Research Facility run than have a tank who ignores the fact that they've still only got one add.

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And I'd rather have a tank who understands that intentionally stacking parry is inefficient than a tank who thinks stacking parry on a class that passively blocks, has a skill to increase block chance, a skill to force blocks and a skill that can only be used after blocking, all while block takes priority over parry, is the best damn idea anyone has ever come up with. But hey, we can't all have what we want.

Tanks do lack enmity generation before they get their tank stance or 3rd combo, running the first 3 dungeon, is probably the most terrible experience as a newbie tank IMO. Not only do you struggle keeping aggro for trigger happy DPS (mainly Bard,BLM,Lancer), since they can generate enmity super fast since their best move all do over 140 potency, if not more (BLM, mainly), that's not counting when some classes like BRD and BLM do AOE, it put even more stress, wasting more TP/MP from the tank, then when the fight is done, he has to wait a bit to regenerate.

I'm a veteran tank, been recently trying to level my WAR to 60, and it's amazing how terrible tanking is in lower levels, when DPS make as much enmity as you, unless you pre-enmity combo an ennemy, they'll always be on your tail, and then we wonder why there's so much more DPS/Healer, than tanks. It's all about the introduction.

Imo, SE should make some special weapons for until they get their respective tank stance (30 war/ 40 pld), that boost enmity generation, or just slap that stats on current existing weapon.

Throw + 2 x Flash/Unleash/Overpower.

Hate-combo the focus target.

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Originally Posted by kaox_reaper

Before level 30? You mean where a Lancer or Pugilist can tank? Even the healer can tank. Those dungeons are way to easy to be of any concern.

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It's true. I still remember the time I was leveling CNJ/WHM to 34. First Sastasha run I got, the tank was new. New...and he could neither understand English or the concept of enmity. So, just as expected, I main tanked it as CNJ with a little OT help from the PGL. We lived and cleared it without much trouble.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

And I'd rather have a tank who understands that intentionally stacking parry is inefficient than a tank who thinks stacking parry on a class that passively blocks, has a skill to increase block chance, a skill to force blocks and a skill that can only be used after blocking, all while block takes priority over parry, is the best damn idea anyone has ever come up with. But hey, we can't all have what we want.

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And what does my preference for Parry have to do with this discussion? You assume that I don't know how the combat table works, or that I do not understand how "poorly" it scales, and that my decision to do whatever I can to take less damage per unit time in a fight is not informed. It is an off-topic attempt to undermine my credibility that does not address the points I made. By definition, this is an ad hominem fallacy, or an invective attack, which in no way offers any sort of counterpoint to what I was trying to say. In effect, by attacking my position on a different topic as weak, you have betrayed that you do not presently have any sort of valid counterpoint to this topic, which implies that my position on this discussion is, in fact, quite strong. So thank you for confirming the validity of my points.

1-30 tanking is not in a bad way. Even if it is more difficult in 3.2, it is not impossible, and is still remarkably easier than 2.x, and so I maintain my position that it will do a better job of training tanks how to keep enmity, even when the odds are stacked against them.

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

And what does my preference for Parry have to do with this discussion? You assume that I don't know how the combat table works, or that I do not understand how "poorly" it scales, and that my decision to do whatever I can to take less damage per unit time in a fight is not informed. It is an off-topic attempt to undermine my credibility that does not address the points I made. By definition, this is an ad hominem fallacy, or an invective attack, which in no way offers any sort of counterpoint to what I was trying to say. In effect, by attacking my position on a different topic as weak, you have betrayed that you do not presently have any sort of valid counterpoint to this topic, which implies that my position on this discussion is, in fact, quite strong. So thank you for confirming the validity of my points.

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1. Your comment to which I was responding has nothing to do with tanks possibly having a harder time holding aggro at levels 1-30.
2. I'm not attacking your credibility, however I can if you really want me to.
3. Me not making an argument about tanks having a harder time holding aggro between levels 1-30 does not magically make your argument, which I don't even know what it is because that's not even what i was responding to, better.
4. My stance on this topic is neutral because both before and after 3.2, I have tanked everything in 80% of the low level dungeons I have run regardless of what role I was.
5. For future reference, I find it quite hilarious when you get upset/defensive and pull whatever meaning you want from my comments when I respond to your comments in the same fashion in which you respond to others.

As a Gladiator doing Synched dungeons, I have had on problems whatsoever. Just Flash once or twice, do the Savage blade combo or the Riot blade combo depending on circumstances, and remember to switch targets every now and again. Shield Lob is okay, too, good for establishing a lead as you approach. Basically, I just don't get what the problem is...

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Originally Posted by Darwyn_Ulondarr

It's true. I still remember the time I was leveling CNJ/WHM to 34. First Sastasha run I got, the tank was new. New...and he could neither understand English or the concept of enmity. So, just as expected, I main tanked it as CNJ with a little OT help from the PGL. We lived and cleared it without much trouble.

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I know, right? I did the same thing as well, I've tanked as a PGL and CNJ. I do understand that PLD have a bit more of trouble after lvl 30 and it's because they get ShO at lvl 40, which is wrong. No idea what SE was thinking here. Other than that, yes, you should always do your best to keep Afro at any time but those low lvl dungeons will hardly kill anyone, tank or not, as long as they are getting healed. Things start hitting considerably harder at lvl 30+ where you really better have aggro or they'll likely die.