All tanks have lost about 30% of their damage in PvP post 3.2 (estimate)

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

I can read just fine

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It's not circular. You know what the cooldowns on those abilities are.. theyre MINUTES. What I don't get is how you can't comprehend that non pvp abilities for tanks do not HELP TANKING in pvp. I can't build enimity can I? There is no taunt in ffxiv is there? The only thing I have is stun. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? And what am I supposed to be doing when those oh so wonderful pvp tanking utilities are on long ass cooldowns? Stun every 20 seconds. Wonderful.

And yes, I know the changes were for Feast and PVE. How many times do I have to acknowledge that? But balancing forFeast and PVE has totally screwed over tanks in terms of leveling (killing stuff 20% slower in quests, leves, etc), and frontlines when yes, the role ofthe tank included dps. And you know what? Stop complaining about 1v1 bro - this isn't a 1v1 game and how many times do I have to mention that to you? Obviously you do have a reading comprehension problem.

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Originally Posted by SainCheese

I'm assuming you have never 1v1'd a ninja, smn, brd? If you're on a primal data center I dare you to try and 1v1 a ninja named Shalua Lie. You'll eat every word you just posted.

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I'll end up regretting answering this since it's probably just a troll but eh wth. I've already stated I main dragoon in PVP so yes of course I have 1 v 1 brds, nins, and smn because they are free kills for dragoons when you catch those jobs alone. And yes I am from the primal data center so whoever that nin is I've probably killed multiple times already so what of it. None of this is even relevant to what I said about warriors. The fact of the matter is, back before nerf and cooldown availability being equal on both sides, if you are a war killed by a nin it says alot more about you being a bad war than it does about the nin being a good nin.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

And yes I am from the primal data center so whoever that nin is I've probably killed multiple times already so what of it. .

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#Maelstrong

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

And yes, I know the changes were for Feast and PVE. How many times do I have to acknowledge that? But balancing forFeast and PVE has totally screwed over tanks in terms of leveling (killing stuff 20% slower in quests, leves, etc), and frontlines when yes, the role of the tank included dps.

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Lmao this is your reason as to why warrior needs to retain it's previous dps output? To kill mobs 20% faster in quests, leves, etc? That's hilarious. Let's go ahead and buff up whm, sch, and ast dmg output for those very same reasons.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Lmao this is your reason as to why warrior needs to retain it's previous dps output? To kill mobs 20% faster in quests, leves, etc? That's hilarious. Let's go ahead and buff up whm, sch, and ast dmg output for those very same reasons.

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Afaik healers dont need a dps buff as their cleric stance is already very potent.

The three healer jobs A4S dummies in SSS require around 970 dps or so to be done (maybe 950 as AST). The WAR dummy needs 888 dps exactly. The DRK dummy is at 827.

So even before the 20% nerf (add 20% to figures above) there were no significant gap between a WHM dps and a DRK dps for solo quests leves etc.
By no significant i mean 10% perhaps.

On top on that keep in mind that healers DPS is kinda straight forward and dont require to build specific conditions like for feel cleave etc. Pop holy: kaboom.

Sorry but healers jobs have never been weak dps wise.

By no mean. Your comparison is invalid.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

The fact of the matter is, back before nerf and cooldown availability being equal on both sides, if you are a war killed by a nin it says alot more about you being a bad war than it does about the nin being a good nin.

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This is true. Just Fyi, I have stood toe to toe against Nin's, Brd's, and Smn's on my Pld and still came out on top, and Pld has one of the weakest Dps kits in the game. Of the 3, Nin are the easiest because they don't have the range advantage. If a PLD can do this, then a War should have been having absolutely no trouble (pre-patch), especially given how easy it is to utilize their kit.

I hate War's. They're my least favorite tank in the game. I barely use mine, but the first day I ran on War in Seize, I netted a battle fever. By the end of the match, I died 1 time. ONE. I didn't even swap my AP points to use the damn job. I just had to Fell Cleave my way through every squishy target I saw and poof. Top marks. Given that War is the tank I am, by far, the worst at, this was enough evidence for me that War could do with a nerf.

i beat shalua lie 30 times, im on my nba finals grind. she aint got shit on me.

I take offense to that kind sir. my heart is broken =[

Dimitrii,

Wasn't a troll. It was a fact. Plus, because you don't know who Shalua Lie is, it leads me to believe you hardly ever pvp. People know how good Shalua is all be it on the same team or opposing. It is an understatement to say Shalua is the best ninja on primal data center, Who I myself have dualed for shit and giggles. Hardest fight of my life since the release of Wolves Den way back when.. something else I assume you werent around for.

So here's me officially calling you out, I want to see your swagoon beat Shalua in a strait up 1v1. That would make my year and I will praise you for being the best damn dragoon ever.

why didn't they just nerf warriors......... why do we all have to suffer?????????????????????????