A3S nerfs incoming

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

At the same time, some people don't want A3s to be kicking their ass for 3+ months, esp when it's the only (current) raid content we have, the step behind that being alexander normal (which is unfortunately Dfable and doesn't have that long of a shelf life)

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The solution isn't to nerf existing content, but to add additional raids that are not quite as punishing. Say they do nerf A3 and people start clearing it at an equivalent rate to Thordan EX or perhaps faster. We're right back to where we started: nothing new left to do until the next patch. Not all content needs to be cleared by everyone. If some people don't want to struggle with A3, then don't play it.

Now if they tweaked A3 to be better mechanically or did nerf it with the intent of releasing a new wall (something Mr. Happy suggested), I wouldn't mind so much.

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Originally Posted by Daenarys_Targaryen

Thordan nerf...it just came out why would they nerf it already. Bit early to judge clear rates. "quare Enix is likely to continue the Void Ark saga with the new raid and carry on the story of the Sky Pirates, potentially giving players Sky Pirate weapons at i205". Never has a 24-man raid given weapons. Wouldnt trust this post even in the slightest. Clearly doesnt know what hes talking about.

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I think he misunderstand something.
What Yoshida said (in another interview) was that the time for eso weapon upgrade item from Void Ark depend of how many people cleared Thordan

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

..If some people don't want to struggle with A3, then don't play it.

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That's sort of the problem with how they handled the current raiding tier. If people don't want to struggle with A3, there's no other alternative raiding scene to bide them over until the patch. They should add tiers of raid that are "not quite as punishing" as you said, but the only tier that honestly hits the mark for the majority people are the primals, which are incredibly far and few inbetween.

And even if they nerf old content, they're not "back to where they started" if it's not current content, they'd nerf it right before or as the new tier opens up. Clearing doesn't necessary mean they're done with the content since they'd still farm it to fully slot their jobs, compared ot the alternative of wiping on it with little to no progression and leading to burn out (which is currently happening)

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Let me know how that worked out with Coil savage and the original Steps of Faith.

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Steps of Faith gated the story - so face roll mode is kinda assumed. However *SAVAGE* is not required for story at all.

Read my previous clarification.

But hey there is alex normal if savage is too hard.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

The other end of the spectrum is that the (only) content available is too excessively hard that people don't want to attempt it for various reasons (burn out being the primary one). I know this is the case for A3s on my server and at least 4 of the members we had to go through.

When a nerf goes out, it's usually in the form of a content patch (or mid patch which adds a new tier afterwards) that comes with other things.

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No particular disagreements here. Like we both said, it would be more timely if the nerf happened alongside some new alex content, but according to the patch deployment schedule, we aren't due a new alex for some time. So true though, a3s is quite the rude awakening compared to a1s and a2s which I see many pugs beat without too much trouble (despite it being tough to do with strangers). I have seen many statics of friends break over a3s which is new to me because I can't remember any particular turn in coil doing that to people.

I agree, nerfs usually accompany new content patches but if we are seeing some nerfs next patch, I think the only new content is the relic quest. If there is some new raid or primal I know nothing about it.

the problem as i see it is that in coil minor mistakes could be recovered from,
People could see clear progression being made easily, doing mechanics felt fun to do, experiencing the story itself was a driving force
It was well made and groups sticking together and pushing through it is a testament to that

alexander savage on the other hand(even the first 2 floors before people were able to outgear it from the newer content)
one person making one mistake completely kills the attempt, everyone had to be near flawless with dps so mechanics just introduce stress, the story in normal was trash and the story in savage is non-existent.
When the raiding environment changes from gathering together a group of friends to overcome challenges to having to weed out people and basically force a group who only have a professional relationship in something meant as entertainment, It's being done very very wrong

I have never in my life seen so many raid groups break apart and so many people quit raiding and even quit the game because they feel the raiding is just plain not fun


Of course I've also been playing MMO's so long that I can clearly remember when enrage timers were a very soft thing only put in place to prevent goofy tactics like kiting a boss through an entire zone while a single archer plunks away for an hour and a half.
The way they've transitioned into a hard time limit on every single encounter just seems like the laziest design choice possible

Even wildstar, the game advertised towards the 1% of the 1% super hardcore, didn't have stupidly tight enrage timers on bosses if they even had them at all

I actually think it isn't too difficult to nerf A3S without it losing its charm. Why not add 1-2 seconds extra to perform mechanics like Digititis, Tethers and Ferro? This would vastly reduce the difficulty and may actually allow people with mediocre ping to clear. The excessively tight timings on those abilities I find are the main culprits. The DPS check and P3 coordination checks can be overcome with more experience.

god ... just why has everything to be nerfed ... just let it be like it is now ... its >>savage<< after all