In a couple of weeks? That would be a completely reasonable thing to ask.
Less than twenty-four hours after the content came out? Completely unreasonable and pretty rude to boot.
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11-12-2015, 04:28 PMLukha
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11-12-2015, 04:34 PMCGMidlanderHow is it rude? If the PF listing is clear about what it's looking for, then there's no issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
It's self-regulating in that if it's truly unreasonable, people won't join it. It will have a tough time filling up.
The person in charge of the PF listing isn't forcing anybody to join.
How is it a disservice?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReddAxel
1) Inexperienced person looks at PF and sees a bunch of listings
2) Inexperienced person does not join PF listing that they do not meet the requirements for
3) Inexperienced person joins a learning party listing instead
4) If there is no learning party listing, inexperienced person makes one
5) Done
It's not this:
1) Inexperienced person looks at PF and sees a bunch of listings
2) Inexperienced person sees a listing they are not qualified for, but the listing has magical powers and pulls the inexperienced person in against their will
3) Inexperienced person joins party and wipes to mechanics they are expected to know already, as mentioned in the PF listing
4) Poor inexperienced person gets kicked out. How rude.
Especially on the first day of content release, it should be super easy to find or fill up a learning party PF listing. -
11-12-2015, 04:37 PMAethaeryn
I mean, does one person dying to that mechanic make everyone instantly die or something? Or are all of the mechanics leading up to that point so difficult that it'd really be holding the group back? There's a big difference between a group with one person not knowing a mechanic and the group jump rope that comes from everyone being new. It takes people weeks or longer to learn stuff like coil/savage as a group, but 7 experienced players can teach it to one (competent) new player in a matter of hours. Most of this game's difficulty comes from the group jump rope mechanics and gimmicks.
I don't really care what you do with your PF, but I'm not really surprised a few people got upset with you either for having that message there the first day. Regardless, it's your choice, and you should pull up your big boy britches and own up to the decisions you make. Players are always going to try and weasel their way into your PF regardless of the experience you ask for in advance. This is nothing new. -
11-12-2015, 04:43 PMLambdafish
On my server, 10mins after the patch released, we had a PF that said "Thorden EX clear, please know all phases and don't suck." Obviously this was a joke and a troll, but its sad that it was pre-emptively parodying exactly what you are doing. Do what you like with your PF, but don't expect sympathy when people don't like your destructive behavior. If you want to get the clear on day 1, form a static and run with people you know, but if everyone had your mindset then we would have a PF full of pts that exclude people who literally just logged on and unlocked the content, and they wouldn't be able to do it (hyperbolic I know, but not wrong). This is what happened with Bismarck EX to a lesser extent because of its DPS check (I remember it being hell), but its completely unnecessary here.
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11-12-2015, 04:56 PMAshkendorOn the off chance the charge doesn't carry you into the Death Wall™ you get a vuln stack, and it's a pretty hard-hitting fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aethaeryn
Perhaps that's exactly what OP is trying to do. I've had raid statics in other games that had their beginnings in pugs. Putting together a team that's all at the same point in the content seems like a perfectly reasonable use of PF to me. I don't see how it's destructive at all to exclude people that don't know the content to where he knows it to yet, new or not. Right now, what he and the other people in his party want is progress; if he keeps allowing people that haven't even been into the fight to join his party, he'll just end up teaching the first phase to people over and over and over again. That's kinda sorta counterproductive to the whole progress thing, yanno?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
My static went in for a lockout tonight and we have a few people that are having difficulty with the charge mechanic. We end up losing at least 1 person to a charge every pull. I can see how having people that flat out didn't know the charge phase would be detrimental because it's hard to explain before you've seen it. Even once you've seen it, it can be hard to discern the safe spots at first. -
11-12-2015, 05:04 PMLego3400
You're a jerk. Wait a month before demanding everyone knows part of the fight. Day one is not the day to be concenerd about it.
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11-12-2015, 05:06 PMBreathlessTaoTherein you answered your own question, in regards to this particular case anyway. 3-4 minutes, extremely easy, takes a few tries to get it right - basically you're saying you don't have ~20minutes extra to maybe a new people or two to learn it, and instead you're subjecting yourself to negative opinions (they aren't entirely unjust), and a potentially much longer time than that to fill up your party. With a piece of content that indeed was not even a day old. Yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eidolon
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11-12-2015, 05:18 PMLambdafishI'm in no way saying OP can't do this, its his PF and he is entitled to what he wants, but I'm saying that it sets a precedence of how players can (and will) act. I remember back in Bismarck when I could not get into any competent party because of where I was in the fight, something caused by bad DPS rather than my own ability as a tank. What OP is doing here is the same exclusion based on what the player has achieved rather than skill, and it doesn't create a healthy community, on day 1 no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
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11-12-2015, 05:41 PMSeraphynaOn day 1 content... I so love these comments. Must know the ins and outs of a fight on release day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eidolon
Please tell me, what koolaid you have been drinking again? -
11-12-2015, 07:06 PMStupiduglytaru
Majority of these people replying in this thread obviously just love to waste other peoples time, have you ever actually experienced trying to progress a fight via pf?
How many complete incompetent randoms how you had joined that can't grasp the simplistic mechanic even after the 10th attempt?
The op is right to put whatever they want its their pf not yours, all these negative comments and general abuse towards them you should be ashamed of yourselves.