Savage Mode Dungeons

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Originally Posted by Mastanight

So, over 4 million players, and none like a good challenge???

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We don't even know if this game has 4 million active subs.

They only release the "registered accounts" data.

I know wow has been around about 8 more years than this game, but wow has had over 100 million registered accounts. This 5 million figure that they keep trotting out is nothing but smoke and mirrors. The only worth while fact that can be drawn from SE's stat is that between 2.0 and now, over 5 million people have tried the game.

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Originally Posted by Staris

Who says challenges have to be built into the game reward system?

You want a challenge clear an expert with a set group and time it.
Proceed to attempt to beat that time by shaving off every second you can using any means available.

That's what my group does when we are required to farm experts when we are preparing for content.

Trust me we make it far more challenging and competitive than any developer would release content as. (as to not isolate 99% of the paying population)

As a bonus you get shit done faster and learn valuable optimizations that can help you in raids.

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Over half the player base is not even at he level cap, per SE's stats. Should we just nerf all content so the average level (somewhere in the mid 40's) can do alex, rav ex, and bis ex? People will be excluded from content by their own volition and play styles, what would be different about savage dungeons in contrast to the rest of the content?

Echo can be turned off, so difficulty of all other content is playable based on the players decision. All content should be adjusted to duty finder eventually at least so everyone can at least attempt trying it. If its too difficult then let each player decide themselves. Duty Finder, when its 3:00 a.m. a party can still be made, when its slow on my world others worlds are at prime time and a party may be still made. Difficult content is the only thing that will keep players interested, nerfing stuff just helps old content to be boring quicker.

By the time I get a group, willing to stick around to try Savage Coil, it will be such old content it will probably be nerfed!!!! Seriously, Duty Finder would be a good idea, also everything else uses it.

Join an FC. Seriously, there are Raid statics everywhere. Its not that hard to find a Static. Also, do you mean Savage Coil or Savage Alex, cause even if they added Savage Coil to the DF I think you would find very few people would be queuing for it now.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Join an FC. Seriously, there are Raid statics everywhere. Its not that hard to find a Static. Also, do you mean Savage Coil or Savage Alex, cause even if they added Savage Coil to the DF I think you would find very few people would be queuing for it now.

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Times are always a problem, people not showing up to play. Savage coil is old content that is true, but it is not progression based content anyways, and I bet most have never even tried, let alone won.
Savage Alex, well Savage ??? whatever is next will be out and Savage Coil will be forgotten, but with Duty Finder you could try anytime, with other worlds of players, if people rage quit so much then maybe that's another problem to begin with?

Savage Coil is already mostly forgotten. Even the Crystal Tower raids usually take hours of queue time to run and people still run that for glamour. The only reason to run Savage Coil now is if your trying to get titles. Even when it was current very few people tried Savage. You would be queuing for hours and still not getting anywhere.

As for Statics, I can't comment on your experience but I certainly have seen no such issues and even if they happened the Party Finder still exists. Still, since your not 60 yet the obvious reason your having trouble with statics is probably you don't have a Job high enough yet to really get into an active endgame scene. Your going to have to be 60 to be getting involved in what is 'current'.

Savage is designed to both challenge players on a personal level but also challenge their ability to coordinate as a team. Without that communication coping with the mechanics is just going to generate anger. They don't put Savage on the DF cause they don't want to set the expectation in people that a random group of people who aren't in communication with each other are going to be able to reliably make progress and beat the content. That way you don't have people coming here and complaining that its too hard.

Why must it be if DF?

I'm not all that fond of DF due to my negetive experiences on it on the NA servers which prompted me to switch to a jp server.

I even had a few negative experiences on jp side (though severely less often) DF has become a lifeless tool with silent players. Even the English plauers on the data center no longer say hi, there is lil to no communication for reasons in the dungeon, and agreeing how to prodece. Its spend as less time in there as possible and that it.

People don't use DF outside of end game raids or selling runs or fate parties. Getting a party for other stuff is hit or miss, or takes hours.

So again why must it be DF?

Like I said and others have said, unless you are playing current up to date content there is no chance of trying older content. How does players try something a year old then if few are even wanting to try at all? Duty Finder simplifies party forming and quicker with open world party forming, so unless you are up to date on the newest Savage, I guess forget trying ever?

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Originally Posted by Mastanight

Like I said and others have said, unless you are playing current up to date content there is no chance of trying older content. How does players try something a year old then if few are even wanting to try at all? Duty Finder simplifies party forming and quicker with open world party forming, so unless you are up to date on the newest Savage, I guess forget trying ever?

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Frankly using DF your still very unlikely to get a group. As I just stated, Savage doesn't really offer anything to make it worth it and just getting Coil groups in DF involves hours of queuing if your lucky. Almost no one is going to be interested in running Savage Coil in its original form. Those who do go for it are likely going to be doing it in undersized groups.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Frankly using DF your still very unlikely to get a group. As I just stated, Savage doesn't really offer anything to make it worth it and just getting Coil groups in DF involves hours of queuing if your lucky. Almost no one is going to be interested in running Savage Coil in its original form. Those who do go for it are likely going to be doing it in undersized groups.

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To tell you the truth, most content is very easy. Yes, some is difficult, but before you can even try to do anything they nerf it. So, seems strange I'm the only one that has an interest in Savage, for the purpose of challenge. Players should try, and with duty finder, this would be more easily accomplished.