stop copying idea's from ffxi (new jobs)

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Originally Posted by Razor

PS: I'ma be extremely upset if THM becomes the "Black Mage" when CON has all the ancientlolmagic and elemental nukes.

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Actually I read somewhere they plan on changing abilities/spells around for classes. So here's hoping THM gets the Ancient Magics/Elemental nukes! +1 THM for being blm.

This thread has been siezed and changed into CON vs THM vs BLM vs WHM repeat thread!

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I wish instead of throwing a job system on top of what we currently have they had instead just worked on giving us the skills and flexibility needed to create those role-centric builds with the current system. The extra layer is completely unnecessary.

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It wouldn't work with the current system. Using that logic, MMOs with class trees are unnecessary when they should only have 1 class and just 720 skills.

They added it ontop so it can be optional. Giving current classes a bunch of skills won't do anything, a conjurer is still a conjurer -- jobs are specifically designed for x style.

Don't... taze me... bro?

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

It wouldn't work with the current system. Using that logic, MMOs with class trees are unnecessary when they should only have 1 class and just 720 skills.

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Just like Eve, Ryzom, The Secret World, Guild Wars 2, etc?

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

i wouldn't mind if we had all the jobs XI had to offer, that's not the issue the issue is the underlying mechanics becoming like XI.

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Absolutely! It's XI mechanism that is starting to show its ugly head now.

Theyre not exactly from XI as much as they are final fantasy mainstays, just as chocobos and summons. All of the new jobs are present as early as FFIV.

it wouldn't be a final fantasy without those jobs, that was my concern, i'm sorry if i'm going to play final fantasy it better be a final fantasy

Jobs are a recurring aspect, but not a staple of the series. Chocobos, the crystal theme music, characters named Cid, and airships are all staples of the series. To my knowledge, the only games where jobs have made an appearance are FF3, FF5, and FF11.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Jobs are a recurring aspect, but not a staple of the series. Chocobos, the crystal theme music, characters named Cid, and airships are all staples of the series. To my knowledge, the only games where jobs have made an appearance are FF3, FF5, and FF11.

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And you'd be absolutely wrong.

Jobs are a staple of the series. In some of the games of the series you couldn't *change* job on your character, but in 90% of Final Fantasy games all characters have one of the classic jobs.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Jobs are a recurring aspect, but not a staple of the series. Chocobos, the crystal theme music, characters named Cid, and airships are all staples of the series. To my knowledge, the only games where jobs have made an appearance are FF3, FF5, and FF11.

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How many FFs have you played? The jobs were recurring in almost every single FF game in some way. Jobs been around since FFI, how is that not a staple? Do you just honestly hate job systems?

Even when a FF game didn't have a job system, they had references to them, e.g someone would clearly be a White Mage or Red Mage given armor design.