Since when was it the Tanks job to explain fights?

I agree. It's not the tanks job. Anyone who knows the fight can explain it easily. Heck, the most commendations I got in one run was from a Steps run where I guided everyone through as my MCH. A leader isn't defined by what job he plays-- he's defined by how he acts, his willingness to take charge and to teach and guide people.

The only leadership I expect from tanks is them pulling mobs. They set the pace of the dungeon, yes, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Of course there are alot of tanks who take advantage of this and become "DA BOSS" they act like selfish pricks who don't care about their fellow players and when things dont go their way, they pull a hissy fit and blackmail their fellow players with leaving a dungeon (so they have to wait a long time for a new tank).

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That is the difference between a 'Leader' and a 'Boss'. I am a patient leader and a team member, but occasionally my team don't want to cooporate.. I try and if no use I appologize and leave, not for being high and mighty, but really some disrespect time and insist on trolling. That I won't tolerate.

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Originally Posted by Kuwaitum

That is the difference between a 'Leader' and a 'Boss'. I am a patient leader and a team member, but occasionally my team don't want to cooporate.. I try and if no use I appologize and leave, not for being high and mighty, but really some disrespect time and insist on trolling. That I won't tolerate.

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Exactly. At work, something my boss always drill into me that there's a huge difference between being a manager and being a leader. Anyone can manage. Being a leader is a whole different ball game.

I just say what everyone else tells me when I say I'm new, "dodge stuff". Usually goes pretty well.

I dont mind explaing fights, I dont mind a few wipes on peoples first runs (or even if their experienced sometimes) and hell I'm tank but I ask for advice myself on new encounters (i dont like video guides on story events sometimes for fear of spoilers lol) - but it does annoy me when people with better gear then me stand there and expect me to play teacher all the time.
This morning for example Lost City on Roulette - party was 2 lv60s (me and a NIN dps who had better gear then me, I gear checked), 1 lv52-53ish Healer (gear check est.) and a newbie SMN DPS- we get to final boss and it goes:

NIN: "Just burn him down?"
ME: What about doors?
NIN: the SNM can do it
ME: he doesnt know mechanics

We pull we wipe after his masive attack.

Round 2:
NIN: he didnt do the doors
Me: Its his 1st time, he doesnt know mechanics so not his fault
SMN: What do i do?
NIN: You expain it to him (meaning me)
ME: Er no as I Tank I dont to the doors so I dont know what door you open, DPS have always done the doors
*silence*
ME: explains the basic idea
SNM: speaks french (I faceplamn in RL not because he french but because he probably didnt understand me)
ME: NIN your clearly also lv60 so can you please get the doors?
WE Pull

*Mid fight* NIN: I'm meele DPS i cant
ME: so stop DPSing for a second and get the doors

We wipe again, new guy leaves and DRG pops in and manages to open the doors.

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Sorry but the sheer laziness and expecting me to explain something I've never actually handled (never roled DPS for it) and just because I'm Tank - give me a break!
I love Tanking, I dont mind explaing things and tbh I like helping someone clear something first time as it helps progress them and the community, but I'm not defacto strategy guide and I cant do everything - I'm not god lol.

Main Tanks are in a unique position during Raids and Trials as they have a perfect view of everything that happens in the fight. They can clearly see what the other 7 members of the party are doing. Main Tanks generally stand in front of the boss doing pretty much nothing most of the fight so there's plenty of opportunity to absorb mechanics quickly. In this manner I find that learning an entire fights mechanics goes far quicker on Tank. If there's no first-time completion bonus I'd expect the main Tank to know the entire fight.

Tanks seem like the worst position to explain most fights, because 95% of fight mechanics for a tank boil down to:
-point it away from everyone
-pop a CD when/before you need it

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Originally Posted by meischoice

I never had a chance to operate the cannons before and I said, "I never tried using cannons, how do I know when to shoot the cannons?"
It got quiet for a good 20seconds, then when that person asked the same question, "Who is on cannons?"
People started leaving left and right and I felt so bad and frustrated.

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Dear lord, why do people even ask this question? Oo
Click on the thing -> 1,2,2 pretty self explanatory. Focus on shooting the adds.

If you are up on the tower near the Ballista trigger you see an orange circle where it will hit. OBVIOUSLY you wait for the dragon to stand INSIDE that circle before you fire it. On the second tower, wait for chains, fire when both chains are up and the dragon waves it's head as if stunned.

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SNM: speaks french (I faceplamn in RL not because he french but i because he probably didnt understand me)

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I so, so HATE when that happens.
So frustrating to have some dude in the group that you cannot communicate with.

As for the mechanics: You should know the general idea of the doors even as a tank.
They have symbols -> open 2 doors with matching symbols when his big cast is at 50%.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

This again.......

TBH, it should be up to any player to read a guide or watch a video of the dungeon first to see what they are up against. Just blindly que'ing for something you just unlocked right away without taking the time to watch a little video or guide is wasting everybody else's time because they have to sit there and type everything out about the fights, etc, just for you, because you were lazy.

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No, just no.
Taking away the feeling of "doing it for the first time, just like the people who arrived there first" is TERRIBLE!
Sure, in hard content, unless you are "world's first", you should read up on it/watch a guide. But 4-man content? Story stuff?
JUST NO! Stop expecting that people will spoil themselves just that the run can finish 5 minutes quicker! (which is about how much a wipe will cost you in most cases)

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

DPS have always done the doors

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I've run a lot of LCoA and as a healer I always get told to do the doors. I have never once in my life seen a DPS get a door... Though, it should be more than 100% possible to burn the boss. I did it on my BLM not that long ago, with a new i90 NIN and we ignored doors.