Is anyone else disappointed by the lack of Long Term Goals?

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

There are long enough goals in this game for me...we don't need something that is 1-2 years of grind to be fun...do we??? The new Relic Quest will be here soon and we will have a new grind to have fun with.

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This. The OP will get their wish when they introduce the HW relic quest in all its grindtastic glory. Then we'll see a thread by the OP about a week in complaining that it takes too long to make a HW relic.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

When there will be no people who want everything immediately, then we can start talking about long term goals.
Relic quest was nerfed atleast 3 times for them and even after that some people were asking for nerf, this kinda made my long term goal a joke.

IMO they should have kept the 2.x relic completely unnerfed, because they are releasing new relic now anyways, which will replace it and it can be considered a nerf to the old relic too.
They shouldn't demotivate people so much by nerfing everything forum vocal community asks for.

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It's more the fact that some of us feel like we were suckered into starting the relic quest by how making the actual relic was paced in the beginning. Killing HM primals when they were relevant was a challenge to the average person (I don't think anyone who played from ARR's has forgotten HM Titan and the multitude of wipes that came from it). If they had kept things at that pace I wouldn't have had a problem with the design of the quests, as progressing the relic would be gated behind challenging (at the time) content.

The problem is that they gated it behind RNG FATE grinds, RNG drops from dungeons, and RNG materia melding. If I had known that's how they were gonna do it, I wouldn't have started a relic in the first place. Sure, it assured content longevity, but also killed any interest I had in the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Kazama

Wow... just wow. You illustrated what is absolute garbage about gaming in 2015. Do it all for ALL THE TITLES! ALL THE MOUNTS! ALL THE GLAMOURS! MUST GET THEM ALL! Because they do......... absolutely nothing. Seriously, oldschool MMO players don't care at all about titles and cosmetics. That is for the "Casuals" that have grown up with those as their rewards.

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basically relic weapons are the most casual content ever ingame, its designed just for casuals

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

basically relic weapons are the most casual content ever ingame, its designed just for casuals

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Casuals pay the bills.

Nooooooope. While I consider myself a "hardcore gamer," I also consider myself a somewhat "casual" MMO player. And by that I mean, while everyone else is freaking out about gearing up and clearing Savage, I'm over here running old content for the billionth not because I'm leveling a job or need anything from them, but because I just find it fun. Every now and then I will try and set a few goals of my own (such as the time I lvl'd a WHM just to get a relic so I could get "The White" title), but I could quite honestly log on every day, run a bunch of old content for the heck of it, and be completely satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

The problem is that they gated it behind RNG FATE grinds, RNG drops from dungeons, and RNG materia melding. If I had known that's how they were gonna do it, I wouldn't have started a relic in the first place. Sure, it assured content longevity, but also killed any interest I had in the weapon.

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If they said do 30 FATEs for one atma or 10 dungeons for 1 item, people would cry loud for nerfs anyways. Lights are the perfect example, they could be nice long term goal (raiders farmed them in a few days including me) for casuals.. do a few dungeons now and then, pvp and such and get a few points but nope.. nerfed atleast 2 times because people wanted to have it immediately.

RNG isn't the reason.

Used to work towards a title in Warcraft which took 2 years to get (Battlemaster) so i get your point. This game however gathers to short term goals (days and weeks) which seems to be a design aim. While i prefer S-E's design i wouldn't mind having some long term goals. Right now i'm working on warrior bear mount so i guess that counts as a long term goal in XIV.

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Originally Posted by Vurtney

Right now i'm working on warrior bear mount so i guess that counts as a long term goal in XIV.

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Kinda. My long term goal is the achievement for 5K kills in pvp. ^^
There are some long term goals, but they are kinda heavily optional. :D
... and that's maybe the reason why they haven't been nerfed yet. :-O

Glamours are my long time goal, and eventually upgrading my medium house to a big one!
But well I agree with a lot of what you said.
For instance, been working 24/7 for 2 months now, and still I have the same gear as everyone else because of how easy it is to cap eso.
So playing an hour a day gets me the best gear outside of raids, while others who only plays this game and nothing else got the same gear as me.
I find it a bit weird that it works that way.

When I'm fully geared I'll probably unsubscribe til next patch

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

One of the great things about FFXI was that you could work towards something for a year, get it, and use it for like 3 to 4 years without it becoming obsolete.

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And one of the worse things about FFXI was that you could work towards something for years and never get it.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

kill 5.000 people in pvp for the "hand of mercy" title
get all jobs to 60
get all luminary tools
get all TT cards
get a rank 20 choco
earn 10.000.000 gil by doing leves for the "honest gillionaire" title
max a racing chocobo
catch all fish
farm 3.000 commendations for the pope chocobo

etc etc

there are countless things in this game which are endless time consuming and often reward you with several titles etc

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None of those things are useful, though. That was his point.