Lootmaster: The Greatest Abuse tool.

I am more excited about the option for greed only. This feature will allow real greed parties with nobody allowed to roll need because they know everyone else is rolling greed.

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Originally Posted by Hrist_Althea

As far as not joining groups that have this setting, you know it will be abused as often times people are so desperate for a clear that they will agree to almost anything.
Its just another tool for exploitation, plain and simple.

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How does being "desperate for a clear" even figure into it? The Lootmaster rule seems like something to be used specifically if you're farming for drops. I dunno about you, but if I'm farming for drops I'm not looking to "exploit" people that haven't cleared the instance yet. If someone's joining a farm party because they're "desperate for a clear", they're indulging in a fair bit of abuse themselves in my opinion. If someone does have it up on a clear party or a learning party or whatever, then just don't join it if you don't like the rules that are set up. Make your own party with a different loot rule.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

A lot of people keep responding with, "If you don't like the loot rules, don't join the group." That's not really a rational response. It can and will be abused. There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

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It doesn't work if you're picking up randoms with Duty Finder.

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There are a lot of PF groups that are mostly guildmates or friends and they'll abuse the mechanic to prevent randoms from getting stuff.

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On the flip side, I've had pugs ninja loot from my static. Sure you can report the behavior but it doesn't change the fact that a static member lost out on loot that was rightfully theirs because someone rolled when they shouldn't have.

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It's easy to say, "just don't join those groups", but the problem is that they will be the norm, not the exception. Humans are inherently greedy and selfish, and that shows even more prominently in online games.

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You're right. That's why there's always the possibility that someone who joins a 7/8 static and basically begs for a clear (I've been to 4% but just haven't been able to clear it, please take me anyway I promise I won't mess up!) will just Need on all the loot and bail. Lootmaster protects the other seven people from a random that has very little to lose by ninja looting.

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The benefits of lootmaster don't really outweigh the negatives.

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That all depends on your point of view.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

A lot of people keep responding with, "If you don't like the loot rules, don't join the group." That's not really a rational response. It can and will be abused. There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

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I fail to understand why refusing to join is ineffective. If groups are too greedy, people will secretly laugh at them and not join. Let's see how fast these groups fill.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

A lot of people keep responding with, "If you don't like the loot rules, don't join the group." That's not really a rational response. It can and will be abused. There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

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They can't fill a party through DF and use lootmaster. It will revert to normal looting when a slot is filled through DF.

You have to form the group in advance, set the rules, and go in as you are currently formed. If you have 7/8...you have to tick the option to go in without filling the 8th slot (run it as a party of 7) to enable the lootmaster option. Otherwise you have fill that last slot yourself so you have a preformed party of 8 to enable lootmaster.

The notes clearly state if a member is filled through DutyFinder it reverts to normal loot rules.

Scumbags develop a bad reputation pretty fast (on small servers, anyway) so abusers may find themselves lonely if they are repeat offenders.

Just don't join master loot pugs. Join greed-only pugs if you're going for things that the default need-greed system isn't good for.

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Originally Posted by Raist

They can't fill a party through DF and use lootmaster. It will revert to normal looting when a slot is filled through DF.

You have to form the group in advance, set the rules, and go in as you are currently formed. If you have 7/8...you have to tick the option to go in without filling the 8th slot (run it as a party of 7) to enable the lootmaster option. Otherwise you have fill that last slot yourself so you have a preformed party of 8 to enable lootmaster.

The notes clearly state if a member is filled through DutyFinder it reverts to normal loot rules.

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If loot rules revert to normal in DF, I'm fine. Was only worried about chance leaders in PUGs getting all abusive.

As for pre-formed parties, well it depends. For statics and FCs I guess this is nice... though there's always that worst case of needing to curry up to the leaders in order to favor you. For Primal farming in PF... I doubt people will join Lootmaster anyway if they also want their shiny rare mount.

I am equally happy about this new Loot system, as I think in the right hands, it'll do a LOT of good.

At the same time, I do see the bad it can do. However, to those afraid of the bad, I must say that the lack of power right now for a leader to be able to enforce GOOD rules far outweighs the disadvantages of not having it. It's a lot like Vote Dismiss - if we didn't have it, we'd have a LOT more trolls and no recourse to deal with ****y people.

Now, I will say, I look forward to the day I see the Party Finder:

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Originally Posted by Theoretical Party Finder

<Primal> EX Mount Farm! Master Looter. /random for loot at the end. Only those who are alive can actually /random for it, everyone else will not be allowed to roll. No Excuses.

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And then having them die but giving themselves the same priority. <_<

Keep in mind that, Loot master or no, if you all agree to a system (eg "Everyone calls one, rest is greed"), the party leader uses Loot Master to ensure that, but then cheats you out of it? You can still report it. Breaking agreements made in chats - especially with regards to loot distribution - are absolutely reportable, and I seriously doubt SE will suddenly turn it to an "eh we don't care" when people are abusing game systems to cheat other players.

I'm personally really glad to have the upgrades/options to the systems.

they could always just do their default answer of disagreement of play style so wont get involved