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Originally Posted by lololink

Shiva couldn't have been the first leader of Ishgard, the first leaders were Thordan that had a vision from Halone telling him to take Ishgard as their land, they encounter Niddhog that told them "Get out of my mountain !", they got mad, Thordan died, his son, Haldrath, attacked Niddhog and took his eye, becoming the first dragoon and the leader of Ishgard.

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Maybe that's just what the Thordan line wants you to think :P Maybe spin it from a tale of rebels causing troubles between the dragons and Ishgardians into a righteous story where Haldrath avenged his father and began Ishgard in his honor.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

Maybe that's just what the Thordan line wants you to think :P Maybe spin it from a tale of rebels causing troubles between the dragons and Ishgardians into a righteous story where Haldrath avenged his father and began Ishgard in his honor.

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Well then one thing to ask is who exactly did the Warrior of Light take the form of at the end of the DRG Job story

cause it was an Elezen Male in shining Dragoon armour. That was the 'light' that banished Nidhogg's dark rancor.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

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Dunno! Echo causes some weird stuff. I haven't seen the Dragoon's job quests yet (DoM 4 lyf!). Perhaps Haldrath was actually avenging his father, but Thordan isn't some innocent old man and purposely caused trouble due to Ascian influences?

I think its just as likely Nidhogg is corrupt. All we have seen strongly points to him being a enemy dragon. He is certainly been portrayed as very hostile and full of hate, particularly with the impression we get from the Dragoon quests. Hell, he even looks like a nasty black spiky dragon as opposed to his apparently more benevolent falcor looking brother. Rage, hate and darkness seem to be his thing.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I think its just as likely Nidhogg is corrupt. All we have seen strongly points to him being a enemy dragon. He is certainly been portrayed as very hostile and full of hate, particularly with the impression we get from the Dragoon quests. Hell, he even looks like a nasty black spiky dragon as opposed to his apparently more benevolent falcor looking brother. Rage, hate and darkness seem to be his thing.

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Rage, hate and darkness. Tooo much darkness and like a slight demon looking.
Coincidence? I dont think so >_<

It's pretty clear Nidhogg is corrupt and we'll probably have to put him down by the end of Heavensward, but we don't know what drove him to such a state of madness. Popular theory and the in-game explanation is it's because Haldrath gouged his eye out and took it as a trophy, but that's just Ishgard's side of the story. If there's anything Ysayle's right about, it's that we (and all of Ishgard) are unthinkingly fighting a war we don't know the purpose of.

Besides which, history is written by the winners. So while nothing in-game hints that my whole "Shiva hypothesis" is true, it's also possible it is true and all of that was covered up by the Holy See to solidify their grasp on power. A curious thing is that Ishgard's founder is "King Thordan I," while it's current ruler is "Archbishop Thordan VII." Hmm...

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Besides which, history is written by the winners. So while nothing in-game hints that my whole "Shiva hypothesis" is true, it's also possible it is true and all of that was covered up by the Holy See to solidify their grasp on power. A curious thing is that Ishgard's founder is "King Thordan I," while it's current ruler is "Archbishop Thordan VII." Hmm...

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Yea on the past, or that's what it seems to be. Ishgard 's first leaders were kings, but now the Holy see ( is the church, right? ) has the total goverment control. What did change? When it was desided that the church have that kind of power?

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Yea on the past, or that's what it seems to be. Ishgard 's first leaders were kings, but now the Holy see ( is the church, right? ) has the total goverment control. What did change? When it was desided that the church have that kind of power?

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Likely when the first king died from dragon-mind-powers and his son took to war against him. Halone led the people there, and likely the people turned to a more religious doctrine with the loss of their king. Haldrath probably became the first Archbishop, leaving the other four houses to be the royal houses for the new city.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Likely when the first king died from dragon-mind-powers and his son took to war against him. Halone led the people there, and likely the people turned to a more religious doctrine with the loss of their king. Haldrath probably became the first Archbishop, leaving the other four houses to be the royal houses for the new city.

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Hard to imagine that the first Azure Dragoon become the first Archbishop.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Hard to imagine that the first Azure Dragoon become the first Archbishop.

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Is it? A religion based on martial combat with another group may have one of its prized heroes become its leader, and then his bloodline become the head of that religion.