Healer should not dps in the dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

If a healer was just meant to heal, why have DPS actions?

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It's a hold over from CNJ's original form in version 1.0 - in it's original incarnation (this is before Jobs were added) it was more an elemental spell caster and less of a healer. When the Job system was added CNJ lost most of it's elemental spells which were given to THM and it was made to concentrate more on healing to compensate for being the stepping stone to WHM, but still retained earth, water and wind elemental DD spells as those elements also fitted with the healing spells they cast (for instance, how many people realize Cure is a water spell?). But I digress...

I hate to play devil's advocate here, but I can kind of sympathize with the BRD mentioned by the OP in principle. If I wanted to play DD I'd go as a DD class or Job, not pretend WHM can be a DD and neglect the whole reason I'm even there and potentially pull more hate than the tank can get off me.

However, having said that, if a player is particularly skilled at being able to switch between DD and healing, then go for it. My gripe is this attitude that it's actually expected, when it shouldn't be. It would be like expecting me as PLD to just DD and not bother tanking. If you want to deal damage, go as a DD class, it's that simple.

*Equips Flame Shield*

Keep it up, good to see other fellow healers that help dps. Makes the dungeon go by faster.

And that bard was stupid. He probably doesn't even play songs and things dungeons are endgame content.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

If a healer was just meant to heal, why have DPS actions?

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Kill quest mobs with vita.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

(for instance, how many people realize Cure is a water spell?).

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I always thought it was wind, hehe.


On that note, there is absolutely nothing wrong with you doing some damage as the healer, so long as you kept everyone up as well, if you were having trouble juggling both, then I can see them getting mad, but from what you say that wasn't the case, so yeah, they were just dumb.

When I DPS trash mobs I tend to Pom and holy while the tank is on target and have benny ready in case of an oh no moment.

I can't believe this is actually a thing. Getting punished for playing your job the correct way? I hope you don't suddenly stop playing the right way because of this experience.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

It's a hold over from CNJ's original form in version 1.0 - in it's original incarnation (this is before Jobs were added) it was more an elemental spell caster and less of a healer. When the Job system was added CNJ lost most of it's elemental spells which were given to THM and it was made to concentrate more on healing to compensate for being the stepping stone to WHM, but still retained earth, water and wind elemental DD spells as those elements also fitted with the healing spells they cast (for instance, how many people realize Cure is a water spell?). But I digress...

I hate to play devil's advocate here, but I can kind of sympathize with the BRD mentioned by the OP in principle. If I wanted to play DD I'd go as a DD class or Job, not pretend WHM can be a DD and neglect the whole reason I'm even there and potentially pull more hate than the tank can get off me.

However, having said that, if a player is particularly skilled at being able to switch between DD and healing, then go for it. My gripe is this attitude that it's actually expected, when it shouldn't be. It would be like expecting me as PLD to just DD and not bother tanking. If you want to deal damage, go as a DD class, it's that simple.

*Equips Flame Shield*

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1) It has nothing to do with what there was or wasn't in 1.0. Classes/jobs were shredded and completely reworked. Every job has dps abilities because of:
a) they need to be able to solo content outside of dungeons/raids
b) PvP, bro
c) it benefits the party

2) Your devil's advocate argument is a poor one, because WHM (and SCH) can easily dps in many contents without neglecting healing at all. If a healer is only dpsing, and fails to heal, then you have something. But a WHM who is casting Holy for AoE pulls is not "pretending" to be a dps. THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING MORE DPS THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE PARTY. Holy spam is the most efficient/damaging AoE in the game, period. Plus, it stuns enemies. Until that gets resisted, it helps keep them from doing damage, thus enabling further Holys before going back to healing.

3) I think everyone would appreciate when the tank adds more dps. I don't think most people EXPECT that a tank or healer do a lot of damage, but certainly I'm sure they appreciate it when the healer is doing absolutely nothing because the tank isn't taking any damage for 20-30 seconds, that maybe they throw out some dps. It's like saying you don't NEED to keep the entire party topped off on hp. As long as they don't die, you're fine. While technically true, people will appreciate not being at half life constantly. Similarly, they will appreciate it when mobs die faster because you played your job more efficiently. Nothing is a "pure" anything. Everyone has several tools to bring to the table, and everyone has some impact on overall dps, which is why WAR with more STR is appreciated when they are able to get away with it, because more dps is simply more dps.

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Originally Posted by Fated

I can't believe this is actually a thing. Getting punished for playing your job the correct way? I hope you don't suddenly stop playing the right way because of this experience.

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I suspect the other 3 people may have been together and wanted to get someone else in for a win, and wanted a flimsy excuse to make it seem "legit". Either that or they are some of the most horrible people on earth. Either seems likely.

The bard was indeed an idiot. As long as you manage your MP well and keep everyone from dying then go for it. I enjoy it when healers help dungeons go slightly faster.

Hey the healer wants to dps? Great let them but if they don't that fine also.