XIV: P2P or F2P? XI never has Cash Shop, why XIV has?

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Actually, it might be, cause this is no way the devs doing but SE marketing teams. We all know where SE money goes. Maybe all of this is being doing at the back of Yoshida and XIV team. SE shareholders are far more important and everyone of us. Your money goes to them, not the development of the game.

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Cept ARR was self-funded.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Your confusing Vanity Items with Advatages. THOSE are the only real concern with a cash-shop.
If they were to add, EXP Buffs, Purchasable Currencies/Tokens, Pay-To-Acess Content, Gear with End-Game Stats, or even Gil.

However, this will never happen, Yoshida himself at the UK Fanfest opened by saying "No Pay to Win".

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If your goal is to have all the minions in the game then it's a pay to win.

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Originally Posted by lololink

If your goal is to have all the minions in the game then it's a pay to win.

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That's like saying "Someone bumped my shoulder, therefore they attacked me violently!!!".
It's a misuse of the general meaning of the term.


The conventional terms used in the video game industry aren't going to apply to the few going;

"BUT I COLLECT MINIONS, THEREFORE IT MUST BE PAY TO WIN!"

Pay to win refers to a paid for advantage/boost/aid using real world currency to progress further in gameplay content.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Cept ARR was self-funded.

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^ Correct!

Completely forgot to mention this in my last post to him.

FFXIV has no investors, hence why it's a subscription based MMO that'll gain a return on their development costs over a period of years, as opposed to the likes of Guild Wars 2 which had a substantial amount of investors who wanted an immediate return on their investements in GW2, thus the pay-to-progress cash-shop was born.

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Originally Posted by lololink

If your goal is to have all the minions in the game then it's a pay to win.

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stop with that pointless so called "argument" thanks. A "minion collector only" chose the wrong game

I love the way Shioban thinks and explains stuff. Thank you! The arguments are pointless.

... so... in the end, what's the point having P2P then....

Seems all this discussion kinda pointing toward 1 thing: P2P are to become a relic, aren't they?

Then later on, it would become pointless to pay for subbing, unless you care for all those virtual items that's really just a vanity. Can't even touch or feel them for real. Paying for digital artwork viewing rent.

Are the future trends geared toward those who would choose a digital graphic over a real-life action figures/dolls?

Is this the new allusions of "final fantasy"? where men/women in the end have to pay to be able to fantasize over something not real? ^^;

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

... so... in the end, what's the point having P2P then....

Seems all this discussion kinda pointing toward 1 thing: P2P are to become a relic, aren't they?

Then later on, it would become pointless to pay for subbing, unless you care for all those virtual items that's really just a vanity. Can't even touch or feel them for real. Paying for digital artwork viewing rent.

Are the future trends geared toward those who would choose a digital graphic over a real-life action figures/dolls?

Is this the new allusions of "final fantasy"? where men/women in the end have to pay to be able to fantasize over something not real? ^^;

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Paranoid person is paranoid.

Like I said in another thread, WoW has been doing the same exact thing for almost 7 years now and barely anyone complained about it, because people have common sense enough to know it is just vanity and items that do not give a player an advantage in a game. Its your money and you decide if that digital content is worth a purchase or not. Its not the end of the world, nothing about this game is going to change, and it is entirely up to you to spend more than the 15 dollars a month on the game.

Its another way for SE to make money and Yoshi-P said himself the funds of the items provided in the cash shop go straight into the game's future content. Guys should really use common sense and realize its not a big deal. Its actually hilarious how paranoid people are about this.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

stop with that pointless so called "argument" thanks. A "minion collector only" chose the wrong game

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Thank you oh great master your objectives are the only one that matters, let's remove PvP, vanity and craft then.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

... so... in the end, what's the point having P2P then....

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You pay in order to access (play) the game. That's the gist lol.

Barely anyone complained? Not sure if serious...

Ive never played wow, but my friends have and said they got bullied to no end for having a paid mount from the cash shop. They all talk about how their was so much rage on the wow forums about it.

Oh and my other friend, Jared Gillis is an engineer for wow and told me the same thing. Wow gets a lot of complaints and hate over their cash shop. I'd much rather trust a dev for wow who has been my friend my whole life, then random person on a forum lol.