Which classes do you think need adjustments?

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Originally Posted by Zophar

Goad targeting self? NIN already has access to Invigorate. If you're playing smart (and even if you're only playing kinda smart), there is no scenario short of spamming Death Blossom, in which Invigorate + Goad would not equal an unlimited never ending supply of tp. Invigorate alone should be able to keep your tp up through just about any fight in the game if you're using it correctly. Add Goad in there and, well, you've just inherited the melee equivalent of blm's MP pool. As far as the mudra weaving thing, I don't see it being necessary at all. It would be convenient, yeah, but what you gain for giving up that single gcd every 20 seconds (70 seconds of haste, absurdly high potency of raiton, and, well, Suiton/TA) is more than worth it.

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With TP cost increases, Goad will be less effective. It was able to stave off Paeon due to TP efficiency, being able to self Goad would continue that.

Being able to weave Mudras would stop latency issues.

That moment when you had an entire essay, and your Chrome crashes.

Only thing I'll say is, follow your own words.

"Read entire posts, not parts that would be beneficial for you or your message you're trying to carry through."

Seriously. Can't believe you're saying that a BLM has the same movement ability as a SMN. Our DPS halts, yours continues.

Hmm, perhaps I can make another thread about Mobility, SMN and BLM so this thread doesn't further derail.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

What is everybody's opinion on Monks and Bards?

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Wouldn't change a single thing about bard.

I believe Bards are more than fine but many people are asking for buffs on Bards. Was wondering if anybody else felt this way and why

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

I believe Bards are more than fine but many people are asking for buffs on Bards. Was wondering if anybody else felt this way and why

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I think it's because a lot of people want to play a DPS class with a bow. BRD has extremely high raid wide utility. They sacrifice some DPS for their utility. Some BRD's think that they're DPS should be higher.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

This is also true of every physical job except a skill speed Monk. I don't see why that should keep the Ninja alone from being unable to receive its Goad. ...Except that it would be the only melee not to require a Bard, but then, what group doesn't bring a Bard, let alone goad it?

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What content is this that ever requires paeon? If the answer is Final coil, then I'll have to ask you to forgive my ignorance as I have not participated in it yet. In any case, short of final coil, there is nothing, not a single bit of content in the entire game in which a job with invigorate ever needs paeon unless A: it's a giant AoE fest (like pre echo t4) or B: you have screwed up, either by dying, or by not making correct use out of invigorate. Even in the incredibly TP intensive T8, invigorate is more than sufficient to get you through the entire fight. Really, the only jobs that should ever -need- goad are mnk, pld, and war.

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Originally Posted by Sequora

I think it's because a lot of people want to play a DPS class with a bow. BRD has extremely high raid wide utility. They sacrifice some DPS for their utility. Some BRD's think that they're DPS should be higher.

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I think brd is fine where it's at. If you play the job well, keep your dots up 100% of the time, use all your cooldowns right and aren't loaded down by piles of acc and skill speed instead of det and crit (like all those full auroral brds) you can be right up there with the big boys. Yes, head to head, brd does less dps than the other pure dps jobs, but the ability to move freely without losing anything more than a few auto attacks, tends to edge us back up. It's not uncommon for a brd to be near the top on any fight with a lot of dodging/mechanics, unless you find yourself needing to use ballad.

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Originally Posted by Zophar

What content is this that ever requires paeon? If the answer is Final coil, then I'll have to ask you to forgive my ignorance as I have not participated in it yet. In any case, short of final coil, there is nothing, not a single bit of content in the entire game in which a job with invigorate ever needs paeon unless A: it's a giant AoE fest (like pre echo t4) or B: you have screwed up, either by dying, or by not making correct use out of invigorate. Even in the incredibly TP intensive T8, invigorate is more than sufficient to get you through the entire fight. Really, the only jobs that should ever -need- goad are mnk, pld, and war.

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Bard drinks TP like a milkshake thanks to Straighter Shot procs and should be on any list of needs Goad. It's thanks to over-gearing and echo that T8 may no longer require Paeon for some raids. This was no the case in the beginning.