Spellcasting in PvP

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Do you guys have any idea how much they would have to nerf blm even further in order to allow for the job to cast uninterrupted by attacks? Its like all the blms posting here conveniently forget the firestarter proc and thundercloud proc mechanics exist. How the hell is anyone supposed to silence/stun firestarter proc (which has an absurdly high activation rate of 40%) 240 potency fire 3s or thundercloud thunders (this at least has a more reasonable 5% activation rate) when they are instant?

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There's a difference between being uninterrupted by attacks and having a chance not to be interrupted by attacks.

Right now, everything that can interrupt a spell cast, does. Every BLM spell that causes big boy damage takes at least a full GCD to cast.

In order to have firestarter or thundercloud, you have to first land fire or thunder.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

There's a difference between being uninterrupted by attacks and having a chance not to be interrupted by attacks.

Right now, everything that can interrupt a spell cast, does. Every BLM spell that causes big boy damage takes at least a full GCD to cast.

In order to have firestarter or thundercloud, you have to first land fire or thunder.

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This is true but the point of my post is that the only reason your firestarter procs have not been nerfed is because of the fact that you are not able to free cast to your hearts content. As I said before 40% activation rate is insanely high for such a potent attack so any increase in your ability to sustain constant casting will inevitably be met with a nerf of this mechanic in some capacity.

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Originally Posted by Kassiekane

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You're comparing a job who's bulk of damage accumulates over time and across multiple targets to one who can and will kill you in as few as 3 gcd's should they be lucky with their procs. Comparing one job who's debuffs can be removed, who's stacks can be removed, and who's strongest pet ability runs on a 5 min cooldown to one who would sustain potent burst dmg given the ability to free cast with absolutely no way to hinder or mitigate said incoming dmg (short of focalization/skewer which would affect both jobs anyway) lol. If your gonna give me such an asinine comparison then there really is no reason to even respond to this post cause you have no idea as to how lethal blm is unmolested. Not trying to belittle smn as they are undoubtedly kings in accumulating dmg long term but to compare their ability to deal and sustain burst dmg to that of blm is utterly ridiculous. You should probably take your own advice and actually play the job first before commenting.

As someone who just recently started playing WHM in frontlines all I can say is I have a new respect for spellcasters in PvP. This shit is no joke and is hell in the cell trying to get anything off without constantly getting interrupted. Also being a Flame on primal, 9/10 your the only healer in group so its inevitable your gonna get the gangbang treatment, which makes healing damn near impossible in some case. They need to figure out a way to cut us some slack without it being OP, I think one more surecast-like spell is needed tbh.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

You're comparing a job who's bulk of damage accumulates over time and across multiple targets to one who can and will kill you in as few as 3 gcd's should they be lucky with their procs.

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This is true of every dps in frontlines. The difference is, all you have to do is poke a blm and they do almost no damage to you. Other dps have off GCD attacks.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

This is true of every dps in frontlines. The difference is, all you have to do is poke a blm and they do almost no damage to you. Other dps have off GCD attacks.

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No this is not true of every dps in frontlines. While it is true that all the dps may be able to burst a target down occasionally, that burst damage potential is still restricted by the recast times attached to the abilities the dps would use to perform said burst (i.e drg's jumps + pvp abilities, smn's enkindle, monk's howling fist + pvp abilities + steel peak, etc). Black mage would literally be the sole exception to this limitation as their burst comes from spells which are on the gcd (firestarter procs from using fire, thundercloud procs from using thunder and flare).

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

No this is not true of every dps in frontlines. While it is true that all the dps may be able to burst a target down occasionally, that burst damage potential is still restricted by the recast times attached to the abilities the dps would use to perform said burst (i.e drg's jumps + pvp abilities, smn's enkindle, monk's howling fist + pvp abilities + steel peak, etc). Black mage would literally be the sole exception to this limitation as their burst comes from spells which are on the gcd.

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Assuming they start out with AF3 already up and thunder on one or more targets...

and use Raging Strikes...

and get lucky on procs...

and don't get touched...

and target stays in front conal...

Raging Strikes (off global cooldown) > Fire III (1st gcd) > Fire I (2nd gcd) > Firestarter proc insta fire III > Fire I (3rd gcd) > Firestarter proc insta fire III > target roasted.

Dead in 3 gcd (and even without raging strikes this amount of incoming dmg will likely kill anyone short of a tank)

Can repeat as many times as firestarter proc occurs (which at 40% activation rate is high) with no notable recast time whatsoever unlike the burst the other dps perform. Show me another dps that can potentially perform this type of devastation on successive targets.

My point is not that blm's can do this now cause obviously they cannot. My point is that there is a reason why you are unable to freecast. Firestarter would make you overpowered. So yeah if you wanna cast freely maybe SE can accommodate you so that attacks no longer interrupt you thats fine. Just dont expect to retain your current attack potency cause you will not. You will end up sacrificing one aspect of the job for another. If that tradeoff is fine with you and allows you to enjoy the job better then there is no reason to continue to debate. More power to you and I hope SE takes note of your request. My only problem stems from people asking for changes to a job without considering the consequences those changes would entail should every other aspect of the job remain untouched.

Edit: the "target stays in front conal" aspect of your argument I dont even see the point in. Every job has this restriction in some form whether it be healers and casters needing to have target in LOS, or melees and tanks needing target to be within range of them.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Raging Strikes (off global cooldown) > Fire III (1st gcd) > Fire I (2nd gcd) > Firestarter proc insta fire III > Fire I (3rd gcd) > Firestarter proc insta fire III > target roasted.

Dead in 3 gcd.

Can repeat as many times as firestarter proc occurs (which at 40% activation rate is high) with no notable recast time whatsoever unlike the burst the other dps perform. Show me another dps that can potentially perform this type of devastation on successive targets.

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Edit: the "target stays in front conal" aspect of your argument I dont even see the point in. Every job has this restriction in some form whether it be healers and casters needing to have target in LOS, or melees and tanks needing target to be within range of them.

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Fire III is 1.4x the GCD.

Firestarter procs take about half a second before you can see or use them, no BLM waits a second between casts just in case that firestarter procs. A BLM in turrent mode has an average about 1 firestarter per full mp pool, which is 9-10 GCD on average.

Raging Strikes>Fire3>Fire>Fire3 will not roast any target in frontlines, unless they are in ilvl55 gear, it will get you maybe 2/3 of the HP for a dragoon with their ungodly horrible magic defense.

The difference between melee front conal LoS and BLM is that you have to remain there for over 2 seconds, instead of a fraction of a second.

And still not asking to be able to free cast through damage, just asking that I don't get interrupted by every single little piece of damage. Every dps has at least 2 abilities off GCD that would interrupt if they did zero damage. It's excessive that every single autoattack will 100% cause interruption.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

cause you have no idea as to how lethal blm is unmolested...

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Equal to a summoner.

am I the only one that thinks Dimitrii doesn't have the slightest clue of balancing or just doesn't want casters being able to atleast having a chance against another class?