Average item level calculation needs fixing, as does lv50 gear progression

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Originally Posted by IrealiTY

Not killing Titan HM without i70? Welcome to the 1st months of the game were Darklight was the 1st Real Set you could get and most people did Titan with only 1-2 pieces of DL gear....

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This was before PF and people shouted in Mordohna for parties. If you weren't full DL or close to it, they didn't want you.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

This was before PF and people shouted in Mordohna for parties. If you weren't full DL or close to it, they didn't want you.

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There were groups like that, sure, but I'd like to think they were the exception, not the rule. At least on Balmung, I never had issues finding a group in about half DL half Toxotes.

I remember the days of Titan HM and tank had to have at least 4500-5000 HP, and the rest had to have at least 300-3500.

I cleared it the first time with about 4900 HP IIRC. I do know I didn't have full DL gear. And I used food.

Things were a little more of a struggle back then (hahaha! Makes me sound old) and took more patience because people were a lot more squishy.

But I whole heartedly agree that once you enter a dungeon, you should NOT be able to change gear. Or at the very least, not be able to go under the required iLevel.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

There were groups like that, sure, but I'd like to think they were the exception, not the rule. At least on Balmung, I never had issues finding a group in about half DL half Toxotes.

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Pretty common knowledge Balmung is "the exception, not the rule".

Edit: ...no offense.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Pretty common knowledge Balmung is "the exception, not the rule".

Edit: ...no offense.

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Meh, the community was pretty silly at the time (as opposed to now, right?). I mean, relic weapons required for AK? That was just. . .yeah. . .

The ilvl requirement for content in this game makes absolutely no sense and gives people the OK to skip most of the content this game has to offer. As a fresh level 50 with full AF gear, why would you run dungeons when you could just run Crystal Tower and make the run harder for people because you're undergeared? And yeah, I know people can destroy the bosses in CT at ilvl 40, but most people going there as a fresh level 50 wouldn't really know what to do. IMO, the dev team should revise the ilvl restrictions on all content. Have players run some older dungeons a few times and increase the rewards for roulettes or offer a special daily/weekly reward for doing them all to ensure people easily get a party for content.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would imagine developers would want people to play old content to keep them relevant rather than bring out new content and make most of the old stuff not worth doing. Not even for a brand new level 50 player. I just wish there was a better level of progression in the game.

The notion from the community that you can't 'tank' content in minimum item level gear because you can't mass pull or the tank has to actually learn to use their cooldowns and the healer has to actually stay active is frankly pretty sad.

Players need to start re-assessing their own skill before they start assessing the item level system. There are absolutely mathematical problems (mis-weighting of accessories, under-weighting of chest/leg/weapon slot items), exploits (changing to under-req spiritbond gear after entering the instance,) and design issues (the latest tier of 4-man drops i80 *sometimes* but myth rains in buckets and gives us i90 instantly invalidating that content except as a time-inefficient soldiery farm?), but by and large "players in i60-i70 greens doing dungeons at their listed level" isn't a problem beyond people being unwilling to learn to actually play and not cruise control through every instance with a flowchart.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Meh, the community was pretty silly at the time (as opposed to now, right?). I mean, relic weapons required for AK? That was just. . .yeah. . .

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Err, don't you have to run AK at least once in order to get your Relic weapon to begin with? lol

I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at the OP for having trouble with Titan HM as an i90+ MT. Seriously, you can tank that fight in i60 gear just fine as long as you know what you're doing and you get a stoneskin before each MB. Heck, I recently had to MT in full STR accessories (HP was between that of an i60 and i70 tank) after the MT decided to stand in the orange in the second jump, and had no issues (generally, just using Inner Beast as mitigation too, sometimes not having Stoneskin or Adlo either). Also never got hit by a bomb because I know how to tank the fight and how to avoid every pattern...


Also, I do remember those shouts for AK myth runs requiring not just a Relic...but a Relic+1. Gotta love people.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

Err, don't you have to run AK at least once in order to get your Relic weapon to begin with? lol

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You must not have been around back then lol. AK used to be the only place to get Myth from (eventually added it to WP, which led to WP-SRs taking over), and people wanted to get it as fast as possible, so requiring a Relic (which normally meant you had gear and knew what you were doing back then) was the "easiest" thing to do to ensure you got a "good" group.