Housing..

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Originally Posted by Xystic

For example a server that has 12,000 players generating their max 25k a day will produce 300,000,000 million gil a day, while a small server of 3,500 players at 25k a day will only be able produce 87,500,000 million gil a day at MAX.

It would be illogical to put legacy or high population prices on smaller or medium servers, when it would take nearly x3 more work or even more for those servers. When we do the math, regardless of the server sizes, its the same amount of work required for each server even if it appears 80 million Gil cheaper

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The problem with your math is that there is no indication that the total free company size is different per server. X people in a FC x 25K is the same on a high pop server as it is on a low pop one; exact same buying power.

The problem for SE is that there are more FCs with high member counts on high pop servers, which would allow more houses of a given size to be bought -- SE can't support a house for every free company, so they have to raise prices.

Mist is too mainstream, The Goblet is the real hangout of champions.

The way FC housing is implemented actually makes me doubtful about personal housing.

Originally I was thinking maybe they'd be putting down plots everywhere, like even in the regular zones. But it seems clear they will be instancing the whole housing zones. I suppose that's the cheapest way to make sure everyone gets a chance at a plot.

I would have loved getting a house if every plot was unique, and we can actually live in the world of Eorzea instead of in instanced housing zones.

I suppose that kind of design works better with games like EQN where the world will change and morph according to what the players are doing.

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Originally Posted by Lingarn

The problem with your math is that there is no indication that the total free company size is different per server. X people in a FC x 25K is the same on a high pop server as it is on a low pop one; exact same buying power.

The problem for SE is that there are more FCs with high member counts on high pop servers, which would allow more houses of a given size to be bought -- SE can't support a house for every free company, so they have to raise prices.

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Buying power doesn't correlate with FC size at all though, the larger the FC the less attached a single member feels to it and this is a disincentive to donate for housing. The smaller FCs that are more a collection of tight, skilled statics are the ones more capable to raise money through titan selling (which is really the only decent way to make money now) and more invested into the FC. The only other large source of gil is old crafting profits from the big sellers but those have largely been spent.

I think if they ever released statistics on wealth concentration per-server it would surprise everyone but the sellers. This is probably the reason why SE priced housing the way they did, but they targeted hardcore groups with a piece of casual content which is mind-numbingly backwards.

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Originally Posted by Nici

Lol...i'm sorry i don't mean to hijack or derail the thread but i gotta say...Quiz...every-time i see your picture sig i can't help but laugh out loud.

And to add to this thread a little i understand how Tryst feels, i have already commented how i feel about the housing content in other housing threads on these forums, now i just sigh every-time i see a housing thread....but i still read them hoping to see Quiz's sig so it can make me smile! =P

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An actual post about housing now~

I havent checked Excalibur's wards in weeks so idk how our server looks D:

Personally I'm saving for personal housing, and even though I doubt I'll be able to afford it after how they view the community and their buying power, at least I can say I tried.

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Originally Posted by Quiz

An actual post about housing now~

I havent checked Excalibur's wards in weeks so idk how our server looks D:

Personally I'm saving for personal housing, and even though I doubt I'll be able to afford it after how they view the community and their buying power, at least I can say I tried.

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inb4 personal houses 99 million

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Originally Posted by Elim

inb4 personal houses 99 million

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The problem is, I see this as a very real possibility. I have increased my gil 10 fold barely even trying since 2.1 and were I to keep going till 2.3 (lets say thats when they get added since they said possibly 6 months after FC housing and 3 month patch cycles) I still doubt I'd have enough because of SE logic :(

It has actually disheartened me recently. When maps got released, I leveled fisher from 1-50 in 2 days to fish up maps for gil. I now fish my map every day without fail. I do dailies every day, and now that I have both ranks capped I do T3 quests for both tribes to maximize my gil from them. I do all 4 DRs every day, only as the required job (and lowbie as a 50 required job for the gil bonus), selling all philos items when my tomes build up, etc Within the last 2 weeks I've actually stopped a lot of that, the only thing I'd 100% do was my map. I went from around 200k @pre2.1 -> 2.2m about 2 weeks ago and I just figure that it is a very real and (in my opinion) highly likely possibility that even if I continue at this pace, I can't get anything. :(

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Originally Posted by Quiz

I just figure that it is a very real and (in my opinion) highly likely possibility that even if I continue at this pace, I can't get anything. :(

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This is how i have felt in the past weeks, I've actually taken a break from farming and just plain trying to make gil, i do farm my map and do maps with my fc mates every few days...that hasn't changed, but doing daily roulette and farming mats has completely stopped for me, doing them for the past months since housing was announced just wore me out mentally, maybe after a short break will restore my energies to get back into the grind, but for now i will just be logging in to enjoy chatting with FC peeps and hanging out in gridania looking at the trees.

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Originally Posted by Quiz

The problem is, I see this as a very real possibility.

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So do I.

I'm convinced only 5% (or some outrageous number) of the population will be able to afford a personal house. SE goes on about prices being high because they don't want the same people to buy up all the lots, but I think the very simple fix to that is to limit one per account.