Why is Myth gear as good as Allagan gear, or even better?

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Originally Posted by Marzapan

I guess I think it's lame that you can get the best gear in the game w/o beating any of the 'hardest' content of the game.

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The problem is the RNG. Let's assume you're like me and your luck is utterly abysmal when it comes to gear drops: You could spend several months running the different turns of Coil (because you only get 1 shot a week, which means about 3 attempts per month), hoping to see the piece of gear you need and it never drops. The people whose gear does drop gets to lot on that gear and progress themselves while you're constantly stuck and the mercy of an RNG that hates you.

Myth tome gear is to give people like me an alternate avenue of gear progression. We have utterly shit luck in Coil and can't earn anything new via those drops. So, we get Myth tomes and can spend those on gear that is pretty darn equivalent to the i90 gear that the people who are actually winning Coil drops get.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

really? progress? how do you consider it progress if you never level ilvl55 content and you end up with the best stuff in the game? progress is earning ilvl55 stuff from the ilvl 55 dungeon, then going to ilvl 70, then 80, then 90... thats progress. not earning 55, 70 and 90 gear at the same time, in the same place.

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Progress by improving your own character. It doesn't have to fit your own narrow view, but you can't just expect to give casual players artifact 1/ilevel55 gear and expect them to be happy and keep playing.

Also, not everyone has a static, not everyone plays during peak hours, not everyone has the time/patience to install voice chat software and listen to other people complain all night.

Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

ive never seen any other game hand you free best gear in the game because people are stupid. and i didnt say not everyone who likes myth the way it is isnt good enough for coil, but there is a population who absolutely refuse to do any coil at all because they think its too hard.

i mean really, would WoW have been as big as it is/was if the heroic dungeon loot was found in their regular mode counterparts? no one hands out gear of the highest level just for the fact that pick up groups are stupid. if this game had any difficulty before titan, it wouldnt be an issue. the game literally lets you spam flash in fates to level up, then when you actually have to know how to play (read: move out of the way), its too much to ask.

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Okay. I get that you'd be upset at the "population who absolutely refuse to do any coil at all because they think it's too hard". And I'll be honest I was intimidated too, and my first attempt with a pug group was a horrible experience. We couldn't even take ADS past 50% because we didn't even have the right party make up. Beyond that, it actually could have been doable, we had two Plds but they couldnt work together to pull off a silence rotation. So yeah, insta-fail for everyone. It was bad. People who avoid content just because it's "too hard" then you don't need to worry about them.. because you know what, they won't be running that content with you. And as I also already stated, you'd be getting the best weapons in the game while those that didn't want to run the content would never be getting it because of that. Not sure why you could be upset about that.

I did try T2 with a friend and his coil static one night since they needed a dps replacement. It was surprisingly way easier than I thought it would be, when actually running with competent people. That was my final experience with coil so far and likely will be for some time, thankfully it was a pleasant experience and furthered my belief that coil pugs are bad, compared to competent groups that know how to play the game. I will stand by that forever.

But Myth gear is hardly free. Though I can run dungeons, and I can DF/DR them as well, there is no guarantee that I won't end up with a group of said people that are retarded and that they will make my experience unenjoyable and even unsuccessful. I guess I have just been lucky, but out of all the DF/DR high level dungeon runs I've done since 2.1 launched I have only had 2 bad/incomplete runs and both just happened to be Pharaohs' Sirius dungeon attempts. Everything else so far, even with a not so great player here or there has been successful and relatively enjoyable to do. Personally I find the new HM dungeons to be quite fun and they were a bit challenging at first, when figuring out the tactics.

Still, as I said before, with the new system it takes 1-2 weeks just to obtain 1 piece of myth gear (and it used to take even longer), whereas if you were to do a full coil run from T1-T5 you get not only a chance at several Allagan pieces, but also the best weapons in the game that are only obtainable via completing Coil. There are no comparisons when it comes to those weapons.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

really? progress? how do you consider it progress if you never level ilvl55 content and you end up with the best stuff in the game? progress is earning ilvl55 stuff from the ilvl 55 dungeon, then going to ilvl 70, then 80, then 90... thats progress. not earning 55, 70 and 90 gear at the same time, in the same place.



its only horizontal if there are multiple ways to collect that level of gear on that same scope...what this is is a backwards slanted method, where you can get xyz stuff for doing this content up here, orrr you can just kick a couple of tonberries and we'll give it to you anyway

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I'm not sure how this still affects you. You can even blacklist these casual peons and go about your way. You still get unique and powerful gear. Your gear will still eventually be obsolete. Its all ephemeral. Are you having fun? I hope you are. They are too.

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Originally Posted by Marzapan

If crafted gear isn't as good as 'loot' gear because the game wants you to earn your gear from farming monsters, not from farming gil.
Doesn't it follow then, that better gear should drop from harder monsters?

Shouldn't Allagan gear be better than gear you can get from wpsr?
Myth gear being as good as or better than Allagan gear doesn't make any sense to me.

Opinions?

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Opinions? Like a Bard should level LNC for blood for blood? Talking about casuals when what you have leveled screams casual is pretty pretentious.

Gonna have to say troll.

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Originally Posted by Griffster

Opinions? Like a Bard should level LNC for blood for blood? Talking about casuals when what you have leveled screams casual is pretty pretentious.

Gonna have to say troll.

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You must not have read the whole thread, because I DO consider myself to be a casual player, as I implied earlier.

considering how i've seen maybe 5 unique healer drops in coil... i'd be SoL

it's better to have alternate gearing paths

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Originally Posted by Marzapan

I don't think anyone is saying that there should only be 1 path to i90 gear.
What I'm saying is that getting i90 gear from i55 dungeons is a tad lame.
And this is comming from a pretty casual player, despite what some people may think I said...

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so basically you want tomestones of mythology to only be obtainable from coil?

i mean there's tons of players who at most only do turn 1 and maybe turn 2.. they would get left behind pretty quickly compared to those who clear coil every week

the best weapons in the game are only obtainable from the hardest boss currently so i feel like that's something to look forward to for players who are actively progressing/clearing coil every week

I don't think anyone is saying that there should only be 1 path to i90 gear.
What I'm saying is that getting i90 gear from i55 dungeons is a tad lame.
And this is comming from some one who thinks he's a pretty casual player, despite what some people may think I said...

Personally I like a logical system of ilvl gear matching it's ilvl dungeon/etc. I do think it's a little strange the way they implemented the token system in this game, as it encourages players to repeat the same dungeons instead of continuing up the ladder. I assume the devs are trying to encourage more players to stick around by offering easy access to tomes, but I wish that instead of handing out ilvl90 gears for WP speedruns that they had just made it easier for everyone to challenge higher level content. For example, by simply adding coil to the duty finder they make it available to a larger group of players than just those who can make specific raid times or shout all day (yes I know about party finder). An easy fix, and a better approach that players will appreciate more in the end than handouts.

This is a sore topic for me as I am old school, and think that items attained from easier methods should not be equal to what is rewarded for harder non-casual content. Why might you ask? Its simple, that's harder, better reward. I suppose this new generation of gamers are into instant gratification and will argue to no end that it's unfair this way in some strange convoluted way. I get it I really do, people don't want a challenge to attain the best stuff and everyone is a special snowflake that each gets their own.

Believe it or not communities have driven MMO's to this state of lackluster end-game content. Take a game like EQ, yea it took you four months to get to max level, wow grindy right, wrong. The entire time you were leveling up everything scaled to require the tier below it to succeeded, so you were constantly trying to min max your items along the way. Then once you got to end game raids your would farm whatever end zone your team was geared for to be able to go-to the next. What has this "grindyness" been replaced with..... getting to max level in a couple weeks then grinding the same shit for 6 months to achieve the same thing.

I have all but quit this game, minus a raid once or twice a week, and even that is pointless; because, I can just farm easy stuff and get the same thing. There is no challenge in that, what is the point of even going if not for better rewards? I know its pretty fun in itself and I can handle that, but it is only fun so many times, unless your trying to get something. This is why I played EQ for 10 years and these new MMO's have yet to keep me for an entire year.

I am not going to try and argue over any "opinion" which is exactly what this post is, I just wonder what happened to the old school hard ass rpg that was so satisfying, ohh wait Waste Of Warcraft Happened. I don't even look forward to new MMO's anymore, sense they all cater to this crap, the only shred of hope I have left is EQNext.