Every PVP MMO normalizes gear in PVP

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

That isn't how a balanced skill based competitive PVP environment works. That's how a unbalanced gear based PVP environment works.

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People looking for "balanced skill based competitive PVP environment" in MMOs just make me laugh. Regardless of Gear the Classes itself are never balanced. Go play your FPS/Mobas or something for that.

Gear is the best Motivation to keep People playing PvP. You should get something for your work. Lets normalize Gear in PvE! Nobody wants to grind Gear, so everyone is happy... NOT.

And most times its Skill>Gear, but its easier to blame the Gear.Nobody outgears you at the moment stage of Wolves Den. Crafting ilvl 55 Gear is equal to ilvl90 Pve Gear.
An Example from my old Wow Arena Times.
With Rating 2000 you were able to buy Shoulder. Everyone is able to see that you are good in PvP,not many people were able to reach them. But why? Not because Gear is unbalanced
1) Most People were to lazy to work so much for "just" Shoulders.
2) You were fighting People with nearly equaly Gear, so Tactic/Skill > Gear.

Its just easier to blame the Gear for it.... or the Teammates.
DEAL WITH IT

The matches would be a lot more balanced/fair if parties of 3 aren't allowed to queue at all for pvp. Parties of 2 and 4 would be forced to queue up in the premade grouping while the solo queues would be the only ones allowed into the non-premade grouping.

PVP has to be it own or its never going to work.

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Originally Posted by Illya

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Actually, all cloth classes got an endurance buff in pvp. Priests had lowest endurance, so they got around a 40% buff, mystics 32%, and sorcs 25-ish%. Priests also still got hit harder than any other class, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make? Geared(good) players still knew what to do to try and lock me down and combo me out. I think I had one piece of gear with reflect on it? And it was t12 from FoK. They also removed stacking of reflect on gear. Also, I said I solo queued, Sometimes duo with an archer. I had 0 Lancer friends, no one liked playing them for some reason and I certainly wasn't going to trust a pug lancer to do anything for me lol

However, I agree that Tera had possibly the worst balanced pvp otherwise. As I mentioned for 3s, which was supposed to be the "balanced" pvp, it was just running around in circles waiting for cooldowns so a dps could try and one-combo out someone. After the healing nerf, it was even harder to compensate for how much damage people were taking.

Nomalized BGs were pretty awful since they showed the glaring imbalance between the damage taken and the healing output. It was like "sorcs and archers playtime"

Edit: ya having to pve for the best pvp gear was pretty dumb. best pvp gear should come from pvp, and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by zdub303

Not to mention all the incredibly overpowered pvp skills locked behind rank walls.

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I just really don't understand their logic behind this. You shouldn't have to suffer through imbalanced play just to gain access to necessary skills.

PvP in its current state needs a LOT of balance changes.

Personally, I feel that if you are against gear normalization in PvP then you are probably someone that doubts they could win without a gear advantage.

And just to make it clear, in PvP I usually outgear my opponents.

To be fair I kinda hated the normalizing in GW2. It gave me 0 incentive to play PvE really (seeing as the pve in that game was pretty poopoo IMO). There's still PvP only gear and I'm pretty sure most of it is BiS compared to PvE gear. Also, it's not like top tier PvE gear is random. I'm not gonna pull a .05% drop and say herp derp time to tear it up in PvP and go pro.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

By now, I must be known as the EVE fanboy because of how much I mention them; but it's just such a great example. That game's greatest selling points are it's economy and it's PvP.

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EVE works because its open world pvp with no player limit. You know what else CCP put out with gear progression and 16v16 pvp? Dust 514, the most imbalanced piece of garbage FPS game ever made. Guess what they have been doing for the last 8 months after a horrible reception of the game at release? They are normalizing their gear progression to be very small jumps between tiers after people in high level gear just roflstomped every new person who tried the game. I'm terrible at FPS games and I was at a 4.0 K/D... I knew people with 16-20 K/Ds, and 8 was the minimum before you were considered relevant. Yeah, gear progression doesn't work, it's just better masked by having more and more players. Also, hasn't eve gone through major changes nerfing all of the battlecruisers and capitals ships and all that specifically to make it less gear progression? They been normalizing their gear progression for years, I think they called it Tiericide.

I would actually be more fine with with gear progression if this game had a ladder system and 16v16 pvp. But 4v4 and huge power differentials between tiers is going to kill the pvp in this game. Not today obviously, everyone is still having fun... But in 3-4 months when 75% of players are i70 or i90 with around 75% more damage and damage reduction vs a new player? It's gonna end up like that WoW arena example... Each month less and less people will play as no one will bother grinding through so much power differential to get i90 gear. It would be acceptable if they increased the marks you gained to like 1000 per win and 750 per loss. Then you could justify pvp gear in its current state maybe.

To the people saying pvp is pointless without gear progression... Maybe pvp isn't actually for you then. There are a lot of ways to incentivize pvp without gear progression. If you aren't interested in pvp without gear progression, you likely aren't that interested in pvp in the first place. And you're just gonna quit when you've got you're full set of shiny gear, unless all you really playing for is to roflstomp newbies in your i90.

i'd say normalize PvE gear in PvP!

but thats partially done with the "Morale" stat

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Morale
All PvP-related gear will include the morale parameter. In level 50 arena matches, the morale parameter will affect the amount of damage taken from other players, effectively replacing physical and magical defense.

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We should just fight everything naked in this game and have no gear progression zomg lazy ppl