Holy Spam in Wanderer's Palace Speed Runs

Most PUGs I join are ~19 minutes long if I don't DPS.
Those same runs turns into 11 min runs when I DPS.

My static WP runs are ~7-8 minutes per run.

As far as "I'm too busy healing so I cant cast Holy".
Holy causes you to heal less. Sometimes you don't heal at all.

My personal rotation throughout the entire run:

- Start with Cleric's Stance ON
- Tank grabs mobs and gets ready to mob them up in a group and come to a stop.
- Keep up with the tank using Sprint.
- Right before the tank stops use Swiftcast
- When the tank stops, cast Holy (Instant cast)
- Switch Cleric's Stance OFF
- Cure 2 + Regen the tank, follow it up with a second Cure 2
- Switch Cleric Stance ON and Cast 2-3 more Holys, as needed.
- When mobs have ~3% HP left begin casting Stoneskin on tank.
- When mobs are dead and tank starts running to the next set of mobs use a Cure 2 to top him off. (Make sure Cures land before he actually aggroes any mobs or you'll pull aggro)
- Repeat.
- Don't use Benediction unless needed (Obviously)

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Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake

I'm not dropping 20% DPS the entire run so you can spam Holy on every fight through out the dungeon.

Sorry.

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Seems like the support/dps class with overpowered damage (said so by Yoshida himself in last letter, sorry but Brds are being nerfed) doesnt like to act as a support. You might want to rethink you class choice :)

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Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake

I'm not dropping 20% DPS the entire run so you can spam Holy on every fight through out the dungeon.

Sorry.

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Pro Tip from a WHM Main:

Your Songs + Blood for Blood = you get no penalty on your attacks.

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Originally Posted by hamsteak

mage's ballad isn't used for the healer, it's used so that the tank can keep spamming flash

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You're mistaken. It is used mainly for Holy and to allow for Cure II spam.

A PLD can hold threat without Ballad fine.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

To be fair, if you remove ALL restrictions about a massive AoE from the context, Flare is technically better.

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Do you not know how Flare works? Here is the fundamental difference than makes Holy better, you ready?

Flare can't be spammed.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Do you not know how Flare works? Here is the fundamental difference than makes Holy better, you ready?

Flare can't be spammed.

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You have clearly missed the context of my statement.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

To be fair, if you remove ALL restrictions about a massive AoE from the context, Flare is technically better.

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If you're looking singularly at damage and ONLY damage, Flare is better. There are pros and cons and what have you, but I was looking purely at the damage aspect of it.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

A PLD can hold threat without Ballad fine.

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He never mentioned threat issues, good luck keeping your MP up between pulls without mage ballad.

Going back to the OP, I wanted to mention one thing I do to make sure the tank can stay alive during holy spam is divine seal, regen, and Medica II. I pop divine seal when he reaches the end of a group of mobs, use Cure II when needed as I apply Regen and Medica II. Once those are up, I pop Cleric's stance, cast holy, then wait a second and cast again. By waiting just a bit, I make sure the second holy hits soon after the first stun wears off, keeping them consistently stunned. While the monsters are stunned, the double regens are topping off the tank. Once those two regens drop it's back to healing mode.

Ayt, thanks for all the advice. I did some runs again yesterday and despite some screw ups(wiped at Tonberry King because I was Holy-ing and didn't get to heal Grudge in time because of GCD) runs were generally better and I think I was able to get to 13 minutes.

It does depend on tank's gear. I had more time to set up Holy than the last tank I partied with. I'll need to get Eye for an Eye

As for Holy being the "best" Aoe spell, dunno about that. WP, FATEs and the last boss at Aurum Vale were the only places where I used it. All other situations are just too risky or not too worth it to attempt.

Also, it's HOLY. A spell that is often matched up with Ultima and Meteor in the FF games. Cut us some slack.

Holy isn't overpowered

move along

WHM has the worst acc ever so yeah it smashes thrash packs but in real content you miss like all the time

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Rawr

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How the heck do you survive every pack? Medica II along with Holy sounds like you tanking every pack. :p