Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by jake200135

I kinda agree. I like it, but I would want it to be optional. Maybe they can have a chest tuft slider, but also with a yes/no option right above it.

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^^^ this right here

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I personally would be dissatisfied with such a general announcement, and they would be wrong to release it without more details like at least a time frame. As Yoshida said and we're all aware of it, it's a massive undertaking. They'd need to allocate resources, be it from the team itself or backups SE would allocate, and those things take time to plan out internally, all the more so if they truly will receive outside help. And to get that, it means they need to properly put together all the feedback, all the data from people who already cancelled their preorders and their subscriptions, so they can come to SE higherups and say "look, this is already costing us money, help us fight this".

I should hope we'll get a statement along those lines during April, certainly before ShB itself is released. It would make sense for them to do so because then they can still enjoy some extra orders, be it from people rebuying it or just people who waited until after the Fanfests and now would think it's 'safe' enough to buy.
But anything less than that would be irresponsible of them.

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^^^ this right here, I would prefer straightforward information as well with a timeframe or a concluded decision whether they’ll do it or if it’s completely off the table. I’ve held off on buying the preorder for this very reason, because I want to see as a customer how they will handle this.

I’ll most likely buy the expansion, but their answer will determine if I’ll buy the preorder or just the base expansion cheap.

Hnnng I'm getting the itch to sketch no matter how crappy it'd turn out. Imagine how great this thread would be it turned into male viera art-posting too. /HEaVYbREAThING

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Originally Posted by VyelChuChu

Hnnng I'm getting the itch to sketch no matter how crappy it'd turn out. Imagine how great this thread would be it turned into male viera art-posting too. /HEaVYbREAThING

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If you’ll draw one I’ll draw one bud.

Hang in there SE. Call their bluff.

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Originally Posted by Acesfool

Hang in there SE. Call their bluff.

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No one in this thread is saying they're going to quit. We have been over this. Why are you even back here?!

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Originally Posted by Kazran

I'm personally hoping Viera look like this art work by FrischeNq! So much so, I made it my signature!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyegp4vVAAAI_kz.png

Elezen are just so stiff, their rectangular shaped bodies don't look very good and make alot of gear look meh imo. They are like... Long Midlanders and their Faces are pointed and not nearly as strong as I would like! Also they have necks for days! Really to me the only similarity between Elezen and Viera would be that they are tall!

I would love for them to be more athletic and masculine looking then Elezen, more elegant!

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The OPer should consider adding this one to the OP. :p It's a pretty popular piece and it captures how I imagine them so well.

Tbh, just dont bother arguing with people. Its not worth it, the arguments just get on repeat and it can get tiring explaining things over and over again. I like the idea to change the topic to Fan Art, so here is my contribution I found on tumblr.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/306e6afc...fxk5o1_500.png

http://segksu.tumblr.com/post/183032329730/ffxiv-viera

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Originally Posted by Lauront

The OPer should consider adding this one to the OP. :p It's a pretty popular piece and it captures how I imagine them so well.

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Agree, this type of design should be represented too, and this is a very popular piece not only in the forums.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

No one in this thread is saying they're going to quit. We have been over this. Why are you even back here?!

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Yes, hi, pre-order cancelled, not renewing subscription person here.
You guys need to stop acting like people who think this is sexist, or people who are going to unsubscribe, are such blemishes on this debate. People who come in here and bring people like me up as a reason why this request is unreasonable are stawmanning. Stop getting up in arms and trying to fight them off every time they show up here - ignore and move on.

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Originally Posted by Emmanellain

If you’ll draw one I’ll draw one bud.

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I-I'M GONNA TRY!

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Tbh, just dont bother arguing with people. Its not worth it, the arguments just get on repeat and it can get tiring explaining things over and over again. I like the idea to change the topic to Fan Art, so here is my contribution I found on tumblr.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/306e6afc...fxk5o1_500.png

http://segksu.tumblr.com/post/183032329730/ffxiv-viera

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aaaAAAHH!! Im love him! The nose is wonderful and I really think that's one of the main distinguishing features of viera. The short, high, bunbun nose!

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Yes, hi, pre-order cancelled, not renewing subscription person here.
You guys need to stop acting like people who think this is sexist, or people who are going to unsubscribe are such blemishes on this debate. People who come in here and bring people like me up as some reason why this request is unreasonable are stawmanning. Stop getting up in arms and trying to fight them off every time they show up here - ignore and move on.

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I agree, in most cases it is a gross simplification of the existing stance and even if it was accurate, people prioritize different things out of the content they currently have and the content to be released. It doesn’t change the fact that there are people that are looking at where the game is going and questioning it, and the lack of male viera can be a part of that.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

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It's a great piece of art, but I'd rather not see a viera with such a thick torso. Omega m's torso is thin. I think Omega m is a good in between for people who wanted a somewhat more muscular viera, and those who wanted a smaller viera. The viera in the picture you're referring to leaves no room for people who want something thinner. -and besides, I already posted the older fanfest concept art where the viera do appear to have some muscle on them.

However, I do want to point out that I would rather see male viera in whatever form than no viera at all.

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Originally Posted by VyelChuChu

I-I'M GONNA TRY!

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Can't wait to see.

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Originally Posted by Senn

It's a great piece of art, but I'd rather not see a viera with such a thick torso. Omega m's torso is thin. I think Omega m is a good in between for people who wanted a somewhat more muscular viera, and those who wanted a smaller viera. The viera in the picture you're referring to leaves no room for people who want something thinner. -and besides, I already posted the older fanfest concept art where the viera do appear to have some muscle on them.

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They could somewhat give both, depending on how they implement the muscle slider. It would at least help create an illusion of such an effect

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

They could somewhat give both, depending on how they implement the muscle slider. It would at least help create an illusion of such an effect

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Yeah, but muscle sliders don't change the shape of the body. A thick torso will always remain thick, it'll just appear less toned with the slider.

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Originally Posted by Senn

It's a great piece of art, but I'd rather not see a viera with such a thick torso. Omega m's torso is thin. I think Omega m is a good in between for people who wanted a somewhat more muscular viera, and those who wanted a smaller viera. The viera in the picture you're referring to leaves no room for people who want something thinner. -and besides, I already posted the older fanfest concept art where the viera do appear to have some muscle on them.

However, I do want to point out that I would rather see male viera in whatever form than no viera at all.


Can't wait to see.

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That art is in fact even better than the FATE art and you've linked some art of the skinnier guys anyway. So I don't really see how it "leaves no room" for them. It's not like SE are going to stitch Viera together from everything everyone wants. But up to you.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

No one in this thread is saying they're going to quit.

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Don't know if you're purposely lying or just not paying attention.

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Why are you even back here?!

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Because I want to be. Do I need any other reason?

Furthermore, I believe if male viera were to be implemented into the game, they will be based off the elezen model. Female viera are based off of an elezen model, and Yoshi P mentioned the men would look similar to elezen as well. This viera you guys are referring to is less likely to happen for that reason. However, Omega m's body type is more plausible. Why? Because it appears omega m is using a male elezen model as the base. Sure, we could ask the devs to make a male viera from scratch, but why is there a need to do that when an omega m body type looks great? It would also require less work.

Because an omega m body type is within the realm of reality, and because it's a good in-between for buff viera and a smaller viera, what we should do it ask specifically for that.

I'll be specifically asking for something like the art. The Omega M body is an okay compromise, but not my first choice by a long shot. I also don't care for them being shorter than the femmes.

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Originally Posted by Acesfool

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You're welcome to stay. I haven't been reading any of your posts, but if you want to explain why you don't want to see male viera in the game, go for it.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Sure, we could ask the devs to make a male viera from scratch

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I'm going to do neither that nor ask for an Elezen base - I'll ask for a male Au Ra base. And there's more than just the similar builds that support this option - if SE decides to give male Viera fur patches, the Au Ra model already supports such things with their scales. In fact, by and large male Viera (as commonly envisioned) have much more in common with male Au Ra than with male Elezen, as male Elezen do not have a monopoly on "tall and not Roe-buff"

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

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I think the devs are more likely to use a male elezen as the base, but I could be wrong. I'm only assuming this because Yoshi P was considering what male viera would look like, and mentioning it may look similar to elezen.

However, I'll say that I would prefer an elezen base over an au ra base. Of course, they would have to fix the issues with the elezen base, like their giraffe neck for instance.

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Originally Posted by VyelChuChu

I am SO GLAD YOU DID OH MY GOODNESS. In the second image all those faces are marvelous. The bottom middle is my absolute favorite. White, flowing viera hair in luxurious dreads and braids? SIGN ME THE F*CK UP. The middle top one looks young, the one on the right a more mature viera. The left one is also pleasantly beastly and that'd make them look SO unique!!

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Awgh thank you! I'm so happy you like my viera boys :,) I think it would be super cool too see more variations on ffxiv faces and the fact they have dreads and braid it would be mostly because is handier for them since they're mostly hunter :0c they hair should be easy too manage, also yay for vieras from different generations! ♥

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Originally Posted by Senn

I'm only assuming this because Yoshi P was considering what male viera would look like, and mentioning it may look similar to elezen.

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I personally didn't like his answer to that question, and it felt like oversimplifying the matter. Elezen with bunny ears and a Miqo'te face? Is that how they made female Viera? I mean, if yes, then so be it, but...
At the core of that answer was the need to use preexisting assets in order to cut down on development times. And if that's the reason, using an Au Ra base is just as likely as an Elezen base, the question is what the devs are looking to create. Which is why bringing up suggestions like this, and showing support (if you support it, ofc) to That Fanart™ is important, so that the devs will consider these things as options.

+1, please bring the male Viera in the game! It is truly a missed opportunity to show the world what they look like. The lore excuse is weak, considering that they write the lore and could have done the same exception made for male miqo'te.

And it is not only about the missed chance. One of the appeals of this game was the LACK of gender locked races. Now that is gone, along with the promise not to lock races behind gender like it was in 1.0. Please reconsider!

Almost 2000 replies, almost 200 pages in a week.

Square needs to make a decision and announce, it doesn't take this long to have a meeting and develop the bones of a plan. If they don't respond soon I worry they hope the issue will die over time.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Is that how they made female Viera? I mean, if yes, then so be it, but...

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I think that's how they did it with the female viera, but don't they look great despite using an elezen base? Since the females came out so nicely, I'm confident the devs will do a great job with the males as well.

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Originally Posted by Senn

However, I'll say that I would prefer an elezen base over an au ra base.

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I suppose it could also depend on how much variance they put into the two clans for the females. Having body variance between the males of the clans with one built off Omega M's revamped Elezen model and one off a tailored au ra would be interesting.

That, however, would be asking quite a bit. I will be happy as long as we get them. Although I do hope they're not too young looking (pretty is one thing, looking teenaged is another).

I think they would be similar in width / thickness as the current female viera. Maybe a little wider or thicker to account for muscles but I doubt they would be thin or scrawny like Omega M. I'm also not a fan of Omega M's body shape. I think the devs SHOULD implement male veria / female hrothgar, but I think it should be as they envision them and not us. Whether that's super buff guys, scrawny guys, or w/e they think fits. Will I be happy with their design? Maybe. They'll at least be in the game tho :) (I would like male Au Ra's that are only slightly higher than female Au Ra cause I don't like to be that tall. Even tho I would consider Hrothgar.)

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I'm going to do neither that nor ask for an Elezen base - I'll ask for a male Au Ra base. And there's more than just the similar builds that support this option - if SE decides to give male Viera fur patches, the Au Ra model already supports such things with their scales. In fact, by and large male Viera (as commonly envisioned) have much more in common with male Au Ra than with male Elezen, as male Elezen do not have a monopoly on "tall and not Roe-buff"

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Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Yes, hi, pre-order cancelled, not renewing subscription person here.
You guys need to stop acting like people who think this is sexist, or people who are going to unsubscribe, are such blemishes on this debate. People who come in here and bring people like me up as a reason why this request is unreasonable are stawmanning. Stop getting up in arms and trying to fight them off every time they show up here - ignore and move on.

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My point to Aces, and as were my previous posts to him and those coming in here, is that they are pinning that as the sole attitude of this thread. It is not. There is another dedicated thread where people encourage their outrage. I am pointing out that they are strawmanning the majority of this thread's community to be a bunch of whiners when the point of this thread is discussing male viera ideas and giving them support. I'm basically baiting for laughs from those who remember that he came in here telling us that Female Viera and Male Hrothgar should be scrapped for voicing male viera positivity along with calling us a minority that if we are 'pandered to' will spark the end of ffxiv like wow. It was for a chuckle, because anyone who has followed this thread knows that his claims have nothing to stand on.

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Originally Posted by niteypants

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I would also like to see an official announcement. It doesn't have to be an immediate response, but I would really like to know how SE is taking the feedback.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I think they would be similar in width / thickness as the current female viera. Maybe a little wider or thicker to account for muscles but I doubt they would be thin or scrawny like Omega M. I'm also not a fan of Omega M's body shape. I think the devs SHOULD implement male veria / female hrothgar, but I think it should be as they envision them and not us. Whether that's super buff guys, scrawny guys, or w/e they think fits. Will I be happy with their design? Maybe. They'll at least be in the game tho :) (I would like male Au Ra's that are only slightly higher than female Au Ra cause I don't like to be that tall. Even tho I would consider Hrothgar.)

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Agreed and barring them doing something like making them "Young Alphinaud", or smaller than the females, both of which I doubt they'd do, I'd accept their design choice. Whether I'd play it would depend on how good it looked.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I'd accept their design choice.

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Yeah, at the end of the day, I think most of us will be ok with whatever they design, because we'd rather have male viera than nothing.

I think a lot of the current male models could bring really unique features to the viera! Also, remember, SE might be able to do more mix and matching than we think! We don't know all the in's and out's of their programs, models or rigs!

For example? The other day, purely out of curiosity, I hopped on my male roegadyn and compared his model to the hrothgar in the showcase video. I cycled through some similar animations and the like, right? And I can totally believe SE used the roegadyn model as a base. But I ALSO noticed they definitely did a bit of nip and tuck! The two biggest things were that the hrothgar torso's look shortened and their shoulders appear widened (they don't slope down as much as roegadyn's).

Point is, no matter what model or skeleton based rig they use, they can build upon it! Omega's, elezen's, etc etc. Not to mention that the dev team apparently have more body type customization in mind for the future!

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Originally Posted by Senn

You're welcome to stay. I haven't been reading any of your posts, but if you want to explain why you don't want to see male viera in the game, go for it.

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Correction. I don't care if they add male viera or not. My point has always been that anyone who is willing to unsub just because they're not getting male viera didn't really like FFXIV to begin with and is looking for an excuse to quit. There isn't a single thing, besides glamours, that they can't do in the game without being a male viera. So I'm hoping SE sticks to their guns and calls their bluff.

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Originally Posted by Acesfool

Correction. I don't care if they add male viera or not. My point has always been that anyone who is willing to unsub just because they're not getting male viera didn't really like FFXIV to begin with and is looking for an excuse to quit. There isn't a single thing, besides glamours, that they can't do in the game without being a male viera. So I'm hoping SE sticks to their guns and calls their bluff.

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They could but there is also lost fantasia income and people who won't buy from the Mogstation due to unhappiness with the decision. It doesn't have to involve ragequits, necessarily. However, you do imply you care as to whether they're added or not by hoping that they stick to their guns and therefore do not add them.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

My point to Aces, and as were my previous posts to him and those coming in here, is that they are pinning that as the sole attitude of this thread. It is not. There is another dedicated thread where people encourage their outrage. I am pointing out that they are strawmanning the majority of this thread's community to be a bunch of whiners when the point of this thread is discussing male viera ideas and giving them support. I'm basically baiting for laughs from those who remember that he came in here telling us that Female Viera and Male Hrothgar should be scrapped for voicing male viera positivity along with calling us a minority that if we are 'pandered to' will spark the end of ffxiv like wow. It was for a chuckle, because anyone who has followed this thread knows that his claims have nothing to stand on.

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I believe the angle Billy is coming at this from - and he can correct me if I err - is to do with a perceived bias against adding decent glamours and appearances catering to male characters. Personally I wouldn't necessarily impute this to sexism, but certainly there is an element of waifu-maker pandering in the game, however I think that's driven more by the fact that a majority of active characters is female - but not really great enough to justify cutting on designs that interest male character players.

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Originally Posted by Acesfool

I don't care if they add male viera or not.

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So you don't see any problems with the people who are just requesting male viera respectfully, right? If male viera are added for those people, you'd be ok with it?

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Originally Posted by Acesfool

Correction. I don't care if they add male viera or not. My point has always been that anyone who is willing to unsub just because they're not getting male viera didn't really like FFXIV to begin with and is looking for an excuse to quit. There isn't a single thing, besides glamours, that they can't do in the game without being a male viera. So I'm hoping SE sticks to their guns and calls their bluff.

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Quitting something in the real world is considered a valid form of protest. Why not for the game? (And no I'm not quitting the game btw.)