Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by Elesh

Hildibrand for relic is just... not good. My issues with it holistically:
1) I don't like the idea of forcing every end-game player to go through the worst written and most bigoted quest in ffxiv(Specifically Heavensward Hildibrand, not Hildibrand as a whole)

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BIGOTED?! I have no idea what could have gained that kind of accusation but alright.
-why is this 50 pages? Surely pressing 'skip this cutscene' isnt that hard...the quests are quite short. The dungeons were fast and easy and some even had cute drop rewards. Like..huh?? You guys wanted to Bozja instead? Is that what I'm getting from all this? How is skipping some cutscenes worse than Snooze-ja

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Originally Posted by Elesh

It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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Do you have Examples?

I really feel like the weirdest responses to this are "omg the hildibrand questline is so long" like ok super maybe you shouldve been keeping up all these years? But also we have until August to get it did and its really not that long, its just 98% cutscenes and involves 0 grindery.
Also you should do hildibrand quests anyway bc then you can unlock the scholasticate questline which, on top of being very well-written, unlocks a great glam and the /glassestilt anime cliche emote for all glasses enjoyers.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

535 relics were definitely BIS for TEA. Which does qualify as end-game.



It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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No we should make fun of old people who are forever stuck in the days of old.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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Maybe someday westerners realized it's also Japanese comedian style :)

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

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Maybe someday westerners realized it's also Japanese comedian style :)

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Nah, everything has to be american and fit the western audience.
No other culture is allowed to share and express their type of Humor and culture.

If I could travel back in time and see what the outrage threads looked like when Eureka was announced.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

Hildibrand for relic is just... not good. My issues with it holistically:
1) I don't like the idea of forcing every end-game player to go through the worst written and most bigoted quest in ffxiv(Specifically Heavensward Hildibrand, not Hildibrand as a whole)
2) It's bad form to make new players go through four expansions of an optional sidequest to access progression content.

My personal issue aside from the above is that I'm pretty confident this means we're getting gaudy, hideous weapons because gaudy and exaggerated is what Manderville stands for. But meh, that's not a big deal - I can just glam over it. Also... I think it's a real shame to not leverage ANY of the fascinating expert craftspeople we have in Endwalker that are story relevant who have unique and amazing visual styles for this.

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Besides the Relic not being end game raider content, They had us do Bozjan for the last one, the most insulting quest chain in all of Final Fantasy, one that caused me to hate a player race in it's entirety. If I could tolerate that insufferable quest, you can skip cut scenes on happy silly slap stick.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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And you were fine with actual Racism, R***, Mind Control, and a huge list of serious issues in Bozjan? Like Seriously, yet I bet you are the first to call anyone older than you "Boomer".

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Besides the Relic not being end game raider content, They had us do Bozjan for the last one, the most insulting quest chain in all of Final Fantasy, one that caused me to hate a player race in it's entirety. If I could tolerate that insufferable quest, you can skip cut scenes on happy silly slap stick.

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It's not often that I get the chance to speak in defense of Hrothgar as they were implemented in-game but Bozja did a lot to redeem their racial lore in my eyes. Instead of brutes and miners they were shown to be cunning and capable of sophisticated political manipulations and cruel betrayals. I dislike Bajsaljen for his ideals but I can respect that they went out of their way to make him a doctor of sorts along with other resistance members who weren't just "strong lion men." If Misija had actually been a female Hrothgar the storyline would have been all the better, but she made good use of the screentime she was given.

The Hrothgar race would have been underserved had the Shadowbringers relic decided to focus on Manderville-level nonsense. Instead, they were fleshed out and given a firm place in FFXIV's world. If only the Corvosi could have been afforded similar treatment. Oh well. Carry on.