Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion

In other words, you aren't allowed tell someone that they can't hold an opinion. It's fine to disagree, though. This seems perfectly reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I guess you'd didn't read the entire article, at the end it clearly mentions the accused was harrasing the victim in several ways, it wasn't just they called this person one wrong thing and then the cops came knocking. It's also from the Daily Mail, a UK publication well known for fake news and/or stirring up drama about things that isn't really necessary.



Well sorry I kinda don't. As a Brit I don't see enough news about such things in the media to agree with it hence why I asked you for a source, otherwise it's just a bold statement to say that something happens all the time when it actually doesn't.

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Here's another weird story from your side of the ocean

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...yrics-14543694
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/in...ng-rap-lyrics/

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I guess you'd didn't read the entire article, at the end it clearly mentions the accused was harrasing the victim in several ways, it wasn't just they called this person one wrong thing and then the cops came knocking. It's also from the Daily Mail, a UK publication well known for fake news and/or stirring up drama about things that isn't really necessary.

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You didn't read it either...it states that another paper "clamed" that she harassed the victim and the they "alleged" that she used multiple accounts. Which is to say that they have no evidence to these accusations and are merely defacing someone publicly.

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Originally Posted by Lalarrific

・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion

In other words, you aren't allowed tell someone that they can't hold an opinion. It's fine to disagree, though. This seems perfectly reasonable.

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Maybe i a clean cut world.. but the world is messy..

Example.
P1: "the sky is better in the day than the night"
P2: " i disagree the sun causes skin cancer the night is much safer as well"
P1: *gets angry and over zerks your reported for insulting my opinion
2 hours later
Gm: p2 your getting a temp ban for offending others and stepping on their opinion
P2. Wth is going on?

Yes this is how it plays out in reality the world isnt black and white..

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Originally Posted by Stereomix

You didn't read it either...it states that another paper "clamed" that she harassed the victim and the they "alleged" that she used multiple accounts. Which is to say that they have no evidence to these accusations and are merely defacing someone publicly.

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That's my point though about the publication in question though, it cannot be trusted.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

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And that would never happen in another country, perhaps like the US where if white person makes a comment like that and that they also wouldn't suffer backlash? Come on now, it's grasping at straws. Anyway it's going off topic....

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

So how exactly do they intend to implement the part of this revision to the tos regarding “intentional” disconnects? I 90k maybe three times a week on average because our net is weak sauce, but the thought of possibly getting reprimanded in game for my isp is abolutely ludicrous.

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I was thinking about it too.
Some people are playing over a wifi or wireless internet connection and they may get dc'ed from this to time. You cant get ban for it right now or from leaving the duty, but if they start banning people because of it, then i guess it will not work well for them.
Even moba games does not have such strict rules like ffxiv is going to have for this.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Well sorry I kinda don't. As a Brit I don't see enough news about such things in the media to agree with it hence why I asked you for a source, otherwise it's just a bold statement to say that something happens all the time when it actually doesn't.

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Im not sure what you all about.
Do you dont believe UK police could stop you for hate crime from online activity, or do you want to know are people being arrested at all?
If thats the thing you are asking then yes, it is true and it is here roughly 1600 arrested over a online hate crime in england and wales.
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Originally Posted by Kurando

And that would never happen in another country, perhaps like the US where if white person makes a comment like that and that they also wouldn't suffer backlash? Come on now, it's grasping at straws. Anyway it's going off topic....

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You shouldn't get visited by the police for a seemingly edgy Instagram post. There are bigger problems in the world to deal with like actual crimes. Don't you guys have another mess with the Count Dankula guy that got all popular on youtube after he got arrested for doing a joke with his dog?

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

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Not something I was aware of, but I did Google it and to be fair what that person did wasn't really acceptable at all. I mean making a joke of a massacre like that isn't exactly a nice thing, wouldn't you agree.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

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Having figures doesn't tell us how bad the hate crimes were to begin with, they are just numbers. Roughly 1600 arrested for a population of 50+ mil is not a lot to begin with anyway. My gripe was you say it happens all the time, how often is all the time to you, every day? every week? Regardless it's just not correct to say it's all the time, it's false information to spread it like that, scaremongering for no reason. Already said it was going off topic though, let's leave it be.

This is gonna be fun being in a group with 2 DPS as a tank and neither of them are AoEing, or getting into a group and giving constructive tips to help the person only to be reported. I don't get why SE is allowing people who are clearly under performing in a group the whole "he said she said thing" where they're feeling emotionally attacked because I said "hey can you please use your abilities and AoEs thank you".

Might as well give everyone participation medals too so the people who don't get commendations a safety net as well so they don't feel like they were victimized either.

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Originally Posted by Foxclon

Hello, Global Community Producer Toshio Murouchi here.

I understand that some of you may feel like account penalties have become much harsher compared to the previous policies, due to changes like the suspension period being extended for certain penalties.

Under the previous policies, some issues were difficult to address due to them being on the cusp, such as actions that were “Negative, but not severe enough to take action.” Additionally, we felt that the 3-day suspension did not have the desired inhibiting effect for some of the more severe issues. Therefore, we decided that a change was necessary. We held numerous discussions internally and ultimately landed on these changes.

We are striving to create a comfortable environment for our players, so that, if they do experience a negative incident, we are able to assist them as much as possible (and, if necessary, get involved in the situation). Please understand that these changes were necessary in order for us to achieve that goal.

On a side note, we have been noticing an increase in issues involving social media, video sites, and live stream channels. Please take this opportunity to go over the FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement and be more mindful of others.
Overall, these policy changes are some of the largest adjustments we have made since the commencement of service, and we will continue to explore ways to provide a better environment for the community. Feel free to let us know if there are certain topics you would like us to improve upon.

Thank you for your continued support of FINAL FANTASY XIV!

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It's not that the rules are "harsher" it's that they are vague and cover a potentially limitless scope.

You can be harsher with your old rules simply by enforcing them more often and with harsher penalties. Also, not being able to take action on EVERY incident isn't really a problem because not "every" incident requires action, obviously.

Redefining "harassment" in this case isn't a harsher set of rules, it is a vaguer set of rules. The only reason to make rules more vague is to give moderators more leeway in their interpretations of events.

That creates an environment where a moderator/GM and how convincing an alleged victim is is of more importance than context, intent, and evidence. There will be less (or no) accountability for GMs who make incorrect decisions. There will be less (or no) accountability for malicious reporting on innocuous incidents. There will be less (or no) way for an accused person to fight back should they find themselves the target of an angry GM or a vindictive player.

All because the rules are vague. This rule change makes THE COMMUNITY harsher, not the rules. Please for the love of Odin, change it back to the sensible old rules.