Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

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Originally Posted by Feyona

No need to keep giving me the ice mage lol do you play sch even as a healer? Never mind dps scholar in savage, need a really good co heal and preferrably one that isnt dpsing all the time so you got space to apply dots sf, bio bio ll miasma aero energy drain pet buffs on cd embrace on tank watch cds watch health bars watch for tank buster apply shields reapplyy dots at 3 watch mechanic get out shit, move alot. Oh and I forgot in and out of cleric. succur odd top up aetherflow cds anything else? Oh place pet and broil get out cleric quick someone dying retarget lustrate and indom right after big aoe hit and u do have the ice spell as well lol for adds on a10s plus the switches

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As a Scholar who actually does Savage, I can confirm that healing and DPSing in A10S as a healer keeps both me and my healing partner still below the activity % and casts per minute of our tanks and DDs. So even though we're healing and DPSing (me currently ranking 68% and my healing partner 57%), we're still actually using less actions than our tanks and DDs (apart from 1). So even though you feel like you're doing a lot, your party members are probably doing even more...

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Originally Posted by Taika

As a Scholar who actually does Savage, I can confirm that healing and DPSing in A10S as a healer keeps both me and my healing partner still below the activity % and casts per minute of our tanks and DDs. So even though we're healing and DPSing (me currently ranking 68% and my healing partner 57%), we're still actually using less actions than our tanks and DDs (apart from 1). So even though you feel like you're doing a lot, your party members are probably doing even more...

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I'd have to agree that A10S is a pretty relaxing fight as a healer. As long as you have a Fairy and Regen there's not much healing outside of the scripted tank busters. I am active for 98% of that fight and if I wasn't pulling almost 1400 DPS I'd have nothing really to do.

End game groups will often expect the SCH to DPS because:

A) They are the most suited to it and can do more than 50% of a top tier DPS's output even in the hardest content.

B) Most of Savage gets substantially easier as your group's DPS increases, A12s is the best example of this with the final phase becoming almost trivial if you can kill it before the second set of fountains.

C) My SCH partner has 100% Cleric Stance uptime on A9s, 97% on A10s, 83% on A11s and 89% on A12s. And that's with a pair of tanks who both chase DPS numbers as well. Saying that one healer is enough for at least 90% of savage is most certainly not an exaggeration.

If you want to move forward and up your game, you have two options really. You can either ensure that you have the main heal hot seat and try to roll with a co healer who is more interested in the DPS numbers than you are, or alternatively you can communicate more with your WHM and start working out when they need your help and when they don't. Building up a good synergy works absolute wonders and really takes things to the next level.

Lastly, I suspect you'd be a lot more comfortable with the role your group appear to want you to fill if you accept that you shouldn't hamstring your own performance by living in fear of other's potential mess ups. Bubbles can be done in advance for the most part and if someone dies to damage that they shouldn't have taken, then a res a few moments later will give them time to reflect on what they did wrong <3

As far as main/off healing goes, I heard it's best to just throw that whole thing out the window and have each healer heal when needed. Having one healer mostly do damage while the other mostly heals is less overall damage than having both healers dps and use their heals as necessary. Of course, I don't main a healer so I can't tell you which way is better.

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Originally Posted by Taika

As a Scholar who actually does Savage, I can confirm that healing and DPSing in A10S as a healer keeps both me and my healing partner still below the activity % and casts per minute of our tanks and DDs. So even though we're healing and DPSing (me currently ranking 68% and my healing partner 57%), we're still actually using less actions than our tanks and DDs (apart from 1). So even though you feel like you're doing a lot, your party members are probably doing even more...

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That does does actually depend on the entire group and how much damage they take I think anyway. Well maybe you have or havent done bad groups but I have lol wipe fest

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Originally Posted by Feyona

That does does actually depend on the entire group and how much damage they take I think anyway

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No it does not. If our group would take more damage, we would use less DPS actions and more healing actions, but the amount of our actions used would be same. The point is, unlike you're claiming, healers aren't any more busy than tanks and DDs - if you're looking at the amount of abilities used within certain time frame (which is the measure of busy), even when they are DPSing. You also claimed in another thread that healers are forced to use more abilities during a fight than other group members, which also wasn't true comparing the data from actual fights.

I believe and understand that you feel super busy and also that it may feel that juggling healing and DPS abilities you're doing more than other people in your group. But if you look at the actual numbers, it's likely not true at all. In fact, if you would try to keep up with a DRG rotation in A10S without dropping any buffs or DoTs while dealing with the mechanics, it would probably feel around the same to you (of course there are individual differences between people and how they feel about playing different types of rotations).

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Originally Posted by Taika

No it does not.

I believe and understand that you feel super busy and also that it may feel that juggling healing and DPS abilities you're doing more than other people in your group. But if you look at the actual numbers, it's likely not true at all. In fact, if you would try to keep up with a DRG rotation in A10S without dropping any buffs or DoTs while dealing with the mechanics, it would probably feel around the same to you (of course there are individual differences between people and how they feel about playing different types of rotations).

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well before this static it was a wipefest I do it on ast now and Im still busy. No not as bad now at all but my activity is pretty high, This maybe is average but I dont profess to know much about what others doing just know I got to keep them alive time and practice Im sure makes a difference. 95% active you mean? I practcally solo healed. No ones gear was optimal then so Im not sure I follow you if 95 % isnt active what is? Oh I get you yes you do have more abilitie than others its not just spamming one button or even 20 yougot to wath everything like cds aswell as health bars plus change stance sorry was overwhelming the amount Id got to think about as wll as learn the fight pluss pressure of learng new playstyle dont claim anything Ive not experienced

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Originally Posted by Feyona

That does does actually depend on the entire group and how much damage they take I think anyway. Well maybe you have or havent done bad groups but I have lol wipe fest

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So yes not talking about active time when I said that was talking about the amount of abilities, and things you got to fit in space given. Lik to me its playing 2 classes at once and dont forget I did say not played like that before its not like throw few dots like other healers is it?

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Originally Posted by Taika

So even though you feel like you're doing a lot, your party members are probably doing even more...

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Not a fair comparison... They have a lot more oGCDs than healers do.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

My post is directed to both sides of the coin, or rather, to put bluntly:

To the pro-healer-only player - "What's stopping a healer from adding more DPS if they're idling for 10+ seconds at a time" - nothing the Devs have stated indicated that you only have to heal
To the anti-healer-only player - "Why are you so adamant about all healer's NEED to DPS" - nothing the Devs have stated indicates that a healer must DPS

The point I'm getting at is the fact that the only thing is clear with the healer role is to maintain party health - and that both sides of the coin are correct, though one aspect of the argument is certainly more optimal than the other. The only thing that a healer can do wrong is basically let a party member die / wipe the group due to lack of healing.

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Yes Im aware of that,srry for late reply. Just to say I like your posts. Articulate and unbiased thank you.