Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Male Hroth starter boots don't have claws either though, only the gloves. Maybe whatever she's wearing is either a unique outfit, or New World leveling/dungeon gear.

PS: maybe a pipe dream, but they really should at the very least give Hroths claws with the graphic revamp, though I don't see them wanting to remodel every piece of gear that exposes fingers or toes /sigh

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Wow, I haven't been looking at my hroths feet in years to the point it gave me a near mandela effect. Thanks for the clarification, moving my goal post if that's alright. If the devs give hand claws for hroths with starting gear, its pretty lame that the feet gear don't do the same, a bare minimum. Regardless on how lazy it's perceived when even official art(illustrated or CG) gives them claws, even colored toenails on non racial gear.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/eb...a515b76457.jpg

Saying the usual, "it's not limited by the game," is a complete misdirection of the point. Art SELLS the fantasy and aesthetic of the game, it brings expectation halfway to what the player could find in the game. This? It's not even halfway. It brings admission from the modelers and artists, it's a jarring aesthetic to have no claws. Could be a neat opportunity to change that in the graphic update, no? We probably would have gotten this and so much more if they didn't do the incoherent idea of replacing a whole piece of the model to THEN fit a piece a gear over it. It would probably save a lot of disk space too.

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Originally Posted by AnAverageAspie

Wow, I haven't been looking at my hroths feet in years to the point it gave me a near mandela effect. Thanks for the clarification, moving my goal post if that's alright. If the devs give hand claws for hroths with starting gear, its pretty lame that the feet gear don't do the same, a bare minimum. Regardless on how lazy it's perceived when even official art(illustrated or CG) gives them claws, even colored toenails on non racial gear.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/eb...a515b76457.jpg

Saying the usual, "it's not limited by the game," is a complete misdirection of the point. Art SELLS the fantasy and aesthetic of the game, it brings expectation halfway to what the player could find in the game. This? It's not even halfway. It brings admission from the modelers and artists, it's a jarring aesthetic to have no claws. Could be a neat opportunity to change that in the graphic update, no? We probably would have gotten this and so much more if they didn't do the incoherent idea of replacing a whole piece of the model to THEN fit a piece a gear over it. It would probably save a lot of disk space too.

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My one gripe with this is how fluffy Hrothgar look in this image! Like, look at that shoulder! Look at the fluff! Look at the cuteness of this man!
Wish to pet, but might lose a hand...

Yeah, to be blatantly honest, compared to other mmos with furry playable races (namely WoW, GW2, ESO...sigh TERA), Hrothgar fur texture is garbage, and all of them are as old, if not older than XIV.

Meanwhile, modders... uhhh.... yeah I don't wanna get banned lol

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

It's quite unfortunate that without the datamined images and textures, you wouldn't even know that it is a Female Hrothgar. I mainly blame this on the lack of a tail being shown. Male Hrothgar also don't have claws unless they wear the default gear, which to this day I think is a big L.
From the beginning, I hoped no hunch for females, since we don't need that niche on a race that is already a niche, I also think that the hunch can ruin a lot of glams. I am also a big advocate for the males to have their posture toggle between the hunched and a non-hunched version. The height would be amazing if the females were equal in height when the males are hunched, but the males would be taller when they straighten their backs, as you said it would be a fun twist! Kind of a cute scenario when he hunches to look you in the eyes and make sure you are listened to, but when someone else approaches he becomes -BEEG-

Regardless, there is only a week left until Fan Fest. I have no high hopes they will show them no, better to hope for JP. Still, I would love to see it now just to know how their model looks fully.

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I can't see them revealing female Hrothgar at JP, because Hrothgar are the least popular race to the Eastern audience.

It would make a lot more sense to reveal them to a western audience, even if it's just a slide with concept art or something.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Yeah, to be blatantly honest, compared to other mmos with furry playable races (namely WoW, GW2, ESO...sigh TERA), Hrothgar fur texture is garbage, and all of them are as old, if not older than XIV.

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Where the game really shot itself in the foot was designing an armor system that can't handle anything that isn't a human. Simply porting over the races from FFXI was a bad call, IMO. There should have been something distinctly non-human in body shape from the start.

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Originally Posted by Rollout

I can't see them revealing female Hrothgar at JP, because Hrothgar are the least popular race to the Eastern audience.

It would make a lot more sense to reveal them to a western audience, even if it's just a slide with concept art or something.

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The only reason I have for suspecting it would be a JP reveal is the timing of the 6.5 part 2 patch being a week after the JP fan fest. Otherwise, I would love it if it were now.

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Originally Posted by Rollout

I can't see them revealing female Hrothgar at JP, because Hrothgar are the least popular race to the Eastern audience.

It would make a lot more sense to reveal them to a western audience, even if it's just a slide with concept art or something.

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Not sure if this is true but going by the Shadowbringers set of Fanfests I would say that popularity doesn't play a factor since it was Viera that was announced at EU While Hrothgar was at JP. I think what determines what is announced and where is audience reception rather than regional popularity. My reasoning behind this is mostly due to how a Western audience is more likely to be vocal about what is announced compared to the Japanese audience especially when it comes to negative vocalization in public.

Now for me personally I would love to see it getting announced at EU despite the possible vocal backlash from the people who don't want the race but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Mostly because of two factors, one is that waiting till JP Fanfest does have certain advantages over announcing it sooner and causing a longer wait between announcement and implementation of the NPC. Second is due to Endwalker's Fanfest being screwed over where it doesn't have reliable data for a single race reveal I have to look at Hevensward and the release of the Au Ra which was announced at the JP 2014 Fanfest as the most reliable point of data since we know the XIV team like their patterns.

The only thing that Hrothgals have going for it being an earlier announcement at the EU Fanfest later this week, is the fact that we know it was being worked on due to the Male Viera announcement in Endwalker and the confirmation I think over a year ago in a live letter. So other than what they look like we know that it is an inevitability especially with the Data-mine on the NPC for this expansion.

My only hope for the reveal, when they choose to do so, is that hrothgals have a face closer to their Male counterparts and less like the Queen Concept art from the art book since that looks too close to Miqo'te/Na'vi for it to be believable that they are from the same race. Here's hoping for the best.

I mean, let's be honest, if male Hroths were revealed in EU (let alone US) they would've been booed then and there, because we saw how rabbit(:D) people got about bunny boys, but this time around there's nothing else to expect other than lion moms, who aren't even a new race but half of a race that's 4 years late to the party. Might as well reveal them sooner rather than later imo.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

I do not believe people would have "boo'd" Hrothgar at any fanfest and they won't be "booing" female Hrothgar either.

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They would've 100% booed Hroths in US/EU because at that time it would've confirmed "no bunny men" and as I said, people got hostile about it. Let's not pretend the whole "Yoshi P/SE is homophobic!" movement didn't happen - heck, it's probably, and ironically, the only reason we even have bunny men now.

That said, I don't think anyone (that's not trolling) would boo female Hroths though, since they're not "replacing" anyone.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I mean, let's be honest, if male Hroths were revealed in EU (let alone US) they would've been booed then and there, because we saw how rabbit(:D) people got about bunny boys, but this time around there's nothing else to expect other than lion moms, who aren't even a new race but half of a race that's 4 years late to the party. Might as well reveal them sooner rather than later imo.

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I do not believe people would have "boo'd" Hrothgar at any fanfest and they won't be "booing" female Hrothgar either. It feels like there's a fair amount of interest in them in comparison to the males at the moment. I was at fanfest in Vegas this year and the energy is really not one conducive to booing the developers.

As for the rest, yeah, Viera (and male Viera) were passionately requested by the playerbase because they're easily the oldest and most ingrained in FF history fantasy race accessible in XIV. Lots of Tactics and Ivalice fans out there, plus Viera just fit into that sweet spot of what it takes to be a popular playable race in this game.

I hope we get the female Hrothgar reveal at EU, personally. I agree that it should be sooner rather than later. Would love it if they showed the expanded trailer including Krile in her new outfit showcasing the new caster job and introducing the new female Hrothgar companion.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Viera (and male Viera) were passionately requested by the playerbase because they're easily the oldest and most ingrained in FF history fantasy race accessible in XIV.

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Huh? Final Fantasy has been around since 1987 and Viera didn't exist until FF Tactics Advance in 2003. They had only been in two FFTA games, FFXII, and it's terrible sequel nobody played prior to their inclusion in FFXIV.

Let's be real, people requested Viera because they had a boner for Fran and wanted to be bunny sluts/twinks. :p