The Monk Temple

just tryed Parse to see dps and dmg on a dummy and ITS BROKEN it reads dots but its full duration in 1 second. you ca nspamm dots over and over again and see your dmg goes sky high lol

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Originally Posted by Chokee

i'm kind of confused at the demolish part. should i use it while building GL stacks, or should i only apply it after 3 stacks? i understand the part where you apply ToD + Frac after 3 stacks.

also, like someone asked earlier, if i use demolish as finisher on my 3rd combo, would it benefit from 3 stacks? or just 2 stacks?

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I'll break it down from the start of the fight:

DK/Boot > Twin > Demolish (GL1)
DK > True > Snap (GL2)
Boot > Twin > Snap (GL3)
[Demolish will be on the way out]
DK > True > Demolish > Fracture > ToD

Attacks with added effects do not benefit from the bonuses they grant on use. So if you use Demolish with GL2 active, it will apply the DoT with GL2's bonus.

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Originally Posted by Truedragon

Speaking of monk, even though it is not listed, but I am almost sure that monk job has inherited the subtle blow trait from FF11.

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As far as I'm aware, no. Because in 2.0 TP generation is independent of hitting things or being hit. It regenerates at a rate of 60TP every three seconds while in combat and 100TP every three seconds out of combat.

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

I'll break it down from the start of the fight:

DK/Boot > Twin > Demolish (GL1)
DK > True > Snap (GL2)
Boot > Twin > Snap (GL3)
[Demolish will be on the way out]
DK > True > Demolish > Fracture > ToD

Attacks with added effects do not benefit from the bonuses they grant on use. So if you use Demolish with GL2 active, it will apply the DoT with GL2's bonus.

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You can acutally see the order of the "buffs" on your screen at the skill time.

damage
(debuff)
form
buff

in order of scroll down.

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Originally Posted by JokingCat

just tryed Parse to see dps and dmg on a dummy and ITS BROKEN it reads dots but its full duration in 1 second. you ca nspamm dots over and over again and see your dmg goes sky high lol

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It's not broken, it works like that. If you read their releases you will see they have to simulate the DoTs in order to get damage, since they're untracked.

Of course you can boost damage up IN THE PARSER by DoTing like madman, since the parser counts each appliance, however you would be cheating on yourself.

If you use the parser with common sense it'll be good to get general damage ideas

Is mercy stroke useful for us? It would be the highest single burst hit available to monks/pugs.

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Originally Posted by mr_wazzabi

Is mercy stroke useful for us? It would be the highest single burst hit available to monks/pugs.

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It's free and has incredible potency so I'd say it's worth using whenever possible.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

As far as I'm aware, no. Because in 2.0 TP generation is independent of hitting things or being hit. It regenerates at a rate of 30TP every three seconds while in combat and 100TP every three seconds out of combat.

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Is this based on supported facts?

I know subtle blow is not listed. But let us be real here. When is the last time you grabbed hate. I often look at the hate meter and the simple fact is, our hate meter hardly ever fills up. 3 shots from a bard and the mob is moving back and forth between tank and bard. You can zerg it for 10 minutes as a monk and the mob never turns your way.

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Originally Posted by Truedragon

Is this based on supported facts?

I know subtle blow is not listed. But let us be real here. When is the last time you grabbed hate. I often look at the hate meter and the simple fact is, our hate meter hardly ever fills up. 3 shots from a bard and the mob is moving back and forth between tank and bard. You can zerg it for 10 minutes as a monk and the mob never turns your way.

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Unless I'm missing something, the only thing the Subtle Blow trait did was reduce how much TP the enemy received from you hitting them and has nothing at all to do with threat. Since TP in this game is completely independent of hitting or being hit it's a safe bet that no, it isn't in ARR as a hidden trait.

As for pulling threat it's difficult to compare Monk and Bard like that. We're sustained DPS and Bards are much more about burst. A Bard blowing their CDs and frontloading a lot of damage at the start is a lot more likely to rip threat than a Monk doing the same, but I've pulled threat on a number of occasions from a lucky chain of crits.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

It's free and has incredible potency so I'd say it's worth using whenever possible.

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it's really long CD and stringent restriction makes it meh ish though. It does work since the last 20% is usually the hardest part.

I can't say for or againist it...for all the good it does, it's still a meh skill. Sometimes you do better with other skills instead.