SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

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Originally Posted by T0rin

If you're doing AoE on 3 or more targets it will out-DPS Ruin, or you need to Bind a group of mobs, yeah.

It is a mana hog though, so you need to be confident in your ability to regain your mana. It does have some use in end-game content, namely BC Turn 4. Though not much.

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I have never used Tri-Disaster in T4. Costs too much mana for how long the encounter is, and how much AoE you need.

I use it to bind mobs, WP speed runs, and in AK runs where you double/triple pull packs.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

I have never used Tri-Disaster in T4. Costs too much mana for how long the encounter is, and how much AoE you need.

I use it to bind mobs, WP speed runs, and in AK runs where you double/triple pull packs.

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Well, I did say not much. :P

Mostly just in phase 1, because there is no better alternative once you Bane twice and have Miasma2/Shadow Flare up. I never have mana issues on T4, but I do always energy drain/Aetherflow after the second Bane in phase 1 to top me back off before phase 2. Keeps me from getting low towards the end of phase 3, which is generally what happens when I wait to burn the last Aetherflow charge on the first Bane in phase 2. I also might occasionally use it in phase 4 if we have to PUG some DPS that isn't up to snuff. I don't get many of them out though before I have to stop, because of the mana issues it could cause.

I mainly use it for philo grinds.

If they don't change how SMN's pets look then it will be so sad for Summoner players ;w; in FFXIV...

i meant fester not bane >.>

Pretty big SMN nerfs in the patch notes.

Thunder Can now only be used by thaumaturge and black mage.

Sustain Will now consume MP sintead of HP

Damage-over-time actions that target the ground such as Flaming Arrow and Shadow Flare will now break sleep and bind effects..

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Originally Posted by Nemhy

Losing thunder... no other buffs that really offset this. Welp there goes all my time itemizing wasted

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We won't even have 5 useful cross class abilities now.

Swiftcast, Raging Strikes, Surecast, Quelling Strikes..And, what? Hawk's Eye? Yes, we need DEX!


OH MY GOD

Allagan Boots of Casting
Before: INT+18, VIT+18, Critical Hit Rate+21, Accuracy+15
After: INT+18, VIT+18, Spell Speed+21, Determination+11

Allagan Boots of Casting
Before: INT+18, VIT+18, Critical Hit Rate+21, Accuracy+15
After: INT+18, VIT+18, Spell Speed+21, Determination+11

so we're losing accuracy now...when we're already forced to get 450 for our damn pet.

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Originally Posted by Nemhy

Allagan Boots of Casting
Before: INT+18, VIT+18, Critical Hit Rate+21, Accuracy+15
After: INT+18, VIT+18, Spell Speed+21, Determination+11

so we're losing accuracy now...when we're already forced to get 450 for our damn pet.

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Switch to mythology.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Switch to mythology.

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And lose our precious crit, in addition to losing Thunder?

In addition to Sustain now costing MP?


Why couldn't they change the BLM AF Boots? Allagan are available to BOTH of us.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

And lose our precious crit, in addition to losing Thunder?

In addition to Sustain now costing MP?


Why couldn't they change the BLM AF Boots? Allagan are available to BOTH of us.

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The crit's already gone. If we want acc, we have to make the best of a bad situation.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

And lose our precious crit, in addition to losing Thunder?

In addition to Sustain now costing MP?


Why couldn't they change the BLM AF Boots? Allagan are available to BOTH of us.

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Because Yoshi P needs to protect the job he plays. Now on top of losing more than 1/4 of our damage, losing accuracy on an item when our pet is already very high demanding accuracy and DOES NOT work with good. Ifrit and Titan still worthless in endgame. GG