I'd like to believe people have enough intelligence to understand a topic like this would no doubt bring out the worst; that forum moderation exists, and be able differentiate simple disagreement with blatant hateful and disparaging comments. But this forum continues to prove otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joven
And oh no! I didn't mean anything by it! :) I'm always amazed at the destabilization and sensitivity of g*mer dudes being called sis as a term of endearment. Yet, to look beyond the mirror...
STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!
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07-31-2021, 05:17 AMRoukiz
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07-31-2021, 05:43 AMJovenPeople understand that well enough, but lack of evidence is lack of evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roukiz
I'm not "sensitive" about you calling me "sis", but in my opinion the only time a person's gender is relevant online is dating sites or p*rn. If it must be brought up the very least you could do is get it right. Though that being said I could imagine the hissy fit a "gender nonconforming" person such as yourself would have if I had been referring to you as "sir" or "madam" throughout this entire discourse. -
07-31-2021, 05:44 AMBaconBits
I don't think anyone would appreciate being called sis multiple times after repeatedly clarifying that they're a dude.
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07-31-2021, 06:52 AMLaurontI really like that example.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
The one robe set that I particularly like in this game is the Ascian robe set:
https://external-preview.redd.it/oSl...=webp&cfbc8051
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ6mpQFXcAAWcga.jpg
Alas, the Shadowless set is a poor substitute.
At least the recent Law's Order healer and caster sets were very good, and they work particularly well on an Au Ra.
Some art styles I like from other games:
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07-31-2021, 09:55 AMLisSquid
As much as I hate to give props to Blizzard right now, they made some really good caster sets. Even with the bulk of them being robes, they always had some edge to them that was just, mwah, delightful. Unless we're talking about mage tier 21. Point and laugh, kids.
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07-31-2021, 10:05 AMCaurcas
Just stuff everyone in Judge armor. Tis the best in the game. On a more serious note, I don't think SE should spend alot of their strained dev time on working and modeling old gender locked/ race locked glamour items on other races/genders, but rather them to move forward and create more varied and complex gear and glamour items.
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07-31-2021, 10:14 PMElena_Skye
I do agree that genderlocking is stupid. the models are already there and scaling or fitting them for the opposite gender where it needs to be done can be done in a literal breeze. hell, modders managed to make viera display head gear properly without much clipping, it's not a matter of "they can't do it" or "it's a waste of time/resources", these are just excuses.
then there also the people who shout "But then i have to see male characters wearing exposing armor!" maybe don't make fem-locked armor exposing then? also what's there to expose? chests? several glams and even smallclothes do that. are you afraid of skirts on men? then you should ask what the scottish have to say about that.
you literally won't see anything, and the models and textures are already there. what's preventing them is not resources either because when we're talking about compressed models and textures we're talking about kilobytes of data that are already in the game anyway.
To me it just seems like a bunch of excuses from people who are offended by the idea of other people wanting to express themselves, design their character the way they want or immerse themselves without being forced into norms or stereotypes. If you don't like a set of clothes because it's too fem or masc for you, you don't have to wear it, but barring people from wearing what they want is just sad. -
07-31-2021, 10:24 PMEvergreySE have excuses for different stuff, like why there's no butt slider (streched out textures).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elena_Skye
Why it's difficult to give Viera more hair/hats (clipping).
There are probably more but these are the 2 major ones I can remember that people been asking for a lot and gotten a response as to why.
So yeah, to just code cosmetics to be able to be used by both genders can't be too difficult.
But seeing how they've made the excuses of streched textures and clipping for other stuff I'm sure there would be the same for unlocking gender locked stuff.
Since they are tailored to fit certain body structures and would get warped if put on something not tailored to.
I'd say like someone else said somewhere, instead of going back to re-tailor everything I'd prefer them to try and make new stuff more universally wearable.
that way they can do the modelling "right" from the get-go and there wouldn't be any need for excuses. -
07-31-2021, 10:57 PMEldevern
I guess people who say "it's as easy as a blink" talk about something they didn't experiment by themselves. They proably imagine it's just some kind of copy past. It's not.
Go do 3D models, two genders (two topologies), with animations, clothings. Do the copy past you think as "good enough", you will see how far you're wrong. Unless you don't care for quality.
If it is so easy, why do exist specializations in
texture
modeling
animation
code (C++)
code (OpenGL, DirectX)
3D engine (models, maps)
lights
effects
post-prod?
If it is that easy, one people could do all. Reality is different, ask yourself why. -
08-01-2021, 12:55 AMilzeeYes, maybe it's not "that easy", but it's certainly something that could be easily done, especially for items sold for 13 euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozh
And sure there are many unisex glams, but people who want genderlocks to be removed or reduced, are talking about explicitly masculine outfits for female bodied characters, and explicitly feminine outfits for male bodied characters. As a player of the former, I can assure that the former is extremely limited in options, there's no arguing around it, and I would like that to change.