Dear Healers who don't DPS

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

People don't seem to understand that the healer (the player) is self aware and capable of dps'n... it is (Not) mandatory.. it is (Not) obligatory to dps as a healer.

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On the contrary: what most people do seem to understand pretty well is that when you're playing in a team and you can do something that's good and helpful for your team, you should do it.

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

you do not demand or criticize the healer for not dps'n because for all you know the (Healer/Player) is just not feeling like dps'n for whatever reason.. and is probably better than you or what you give him credit for.

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What if the BLM just isn't feeling like using their fire spells? What if the PLD isn't feeling like doing any DPS? What if the BRD isn't feeling like giving their party members MP/TP when that's needed? It's one thing if you have a reason for not doing something ("sorry I have a horrible headache and I'm just trying to get through this by focusing on only healing / my most basic rotation / keeping hate"), but "I'm just not feeling like being helpful to my party" is not something anyone should get much credit for.

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

Not having to dps as a healer because its (not) mandatory is one of the few luxuries healers have for having the most stressful role in the game.

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Most stressful role, really? In a few specific fights (which have nothing to do with DF) maybe. In general, definitely not (yes I mained healer from 1.0 until early SB).

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

Ask nicely if your healer is willing to dps. If he says no then deal with it and keep in mind the things i mentioned above.

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I will ask nicely. If he refuses to co-operate (without a reason when there's clearly an opportunity for it), I will ask nicely again, and explain why they should. If they still refuse to co-operate, that's what the playstyle differences vote kick is for.

You don't understand that (Should) and (Has) to dps are two different things. Nobody is arguing wether a healer should dps or not. This long year issue is whether the healer Has to or not.

Dps has to do damage
Tank has to keep agroo
Healer has to keep the team alive.

A healer should dps yes but he's not forced or obligated to because (Should) and (has) are two different things. Most healers understand this and only dps when they want to and not because people think they (should)

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

You don't understand that (Should) and (Has) to dps are two different things.

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No one has to do anything in this game. But other players also don't have to play with a player who's choosing to hold their group back.

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

Tank has to keep agroo

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It has been shown that a tank CAN keep aggro by doing extremely LITTLE dps.

But if a tank did that, they'd be shunned.

Can this thread die already? It's toxic af and you are all talking in circles. Believe what you want, but I'm gonna play however I deem fit at the time, dps or not, which is how the devs want us to play as long as we perform our main role. Word to those who are uncomfortable with dps as a healer or otherwise think like me: just bring friends. Protect yourselves from the toxic randoms you'll get in DF and if they hassle you continuously, kick them for harassment. It's the only way you'll get to have peace of mind while healing. And people wonder why healers in DF are about as rare as tanks.

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

you do not demand or criticize the healer for not dps'n because for all you know the (Healer/Player) is just not feeling like dps'n for whatever reason.. and is probably better than you or what you give him credit for.

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You're only as good as you do, not as good as you "feel." I thought I'd seen everything in this discussion, but what is this? If the healer doesn't feel like playing, they're free to log off or go chat in town.

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

Not having to dps as a healer because its (not) mandatory is one of the few luxuries healers have for having the most stressful role in the game.

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I do not believe in healer entitlement. As a healer main, I firmly believe that we are not special snowflakes and that the increased responsibility of our role is heavily offset by its simplicity and power. It's fine for someone to say that playing healer stresses them out since that's their experience, but it's certainly not true of everyone. Personally I think that healer is the easiest role in the game in terms of execution; there isn't anything resembling a true rotation to manage, CDs are fairly minimal, and party expectations in casual content are pretty lax. Most players are happy for not dying even though many of them are even happier if they see their healer doing other productive things between heals.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

I do not believe in healer entitlement.

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You better start believing in healer entitlement, these forums are full of it. :D (Yeah I know what you meant, it was just funny.)

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

Dps has to do damage
Tank has to keep agroo
Healer has to keep the team alive.

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Dragoon spams True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust
Samurai spams Hakaze -> Jinpu -> Gekko
Dark Knight spams Unleash
White Mage spams Cure/Cure II

All three of met your baseline criteria yet only one role has a built in excuse whereas the other two are universally shunned. Bear in mind, each dungeon has a 90 minute time limit, thus if we're going by the dev's generous determination, success is completing it in that allotted time frame. I can assure you this group will finish any current dungeon. It may be agonizingly slow but nowhere is it stipulated DPS have to deal a specific amount of damage nor tanks have to deal more than the absolute minimum (none Paladin). If you're okay with an hour long Kugane Castle, fair enough. If, however, you expect more from the DPS and tanks, I expect more from you.

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

Dear Tanks,

Don't pull wall to wall if you want Healers to DPS. Thanks.

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Can we please knock off the strawmen?

No one in this thread has advocated healers need to DPS above all else. We want them to be doing something. If tanks pull wall to wall and you can scarcely manage to get off more than one Aero III and maybe a Swiftcast Holy, good. You're spam healing, thus you're adhering to the standards of every other job: Always Be Casting. This thread is about healers who refuse to anything except heal regardless of the circumstances. For example purposes, I got into a row with a healer who insisted you were garbage if you ever allowed the tank's HP to dip below 80%. That renders abilities like Tetra and Essential utterly worthless since you'll never be low enough to truly benefit from their potency potential.

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Originally Posted by Destatiredux

Can this thread die already? It's toxic af and you are all talking in circles. Believe what you want, but I'm gonna play however I deem fit at the time, dps or not, which is how the devs want us to play as long as we perform our main role. Word to those who are uncomfortable with dps as a healer or otherwise think like me: just bring friends. Protect yourselves from the toxic randoms you'll get in DF and if they hassle you continuously, kick them for harassment. It's the only way you'll get to have peace of mind while healing. And people wonder why healers in DF are about as rare as tanks.

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Unfortunately there's 15 people using Swiftcast Raise every time this thread dies. That's the trouble with trying to kill something in a room full of healers. ;)

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Originally Posted by Destatiredux

Can this thread die already? It's toxic af and you are all talking in circles. Believe what you want, but I'm gonna play however I deem fit at the time,.

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This thread needs to die because I don't like what is being discussed! No one is forcing you to engage in the debate. If it truly offends you, don't participate.