Lupin - make it a playable race!

Not a huge fan of Viera too, I barely care about them being the next race or not, they have the only avantage of being an already existing race in the FF franchise without mentionning the fact that Ivalice raid make them presumed already existing in Haedelyn. Being far more simple to add in game without too much work or without breaking simple rule of lore logic cause "well they are rare to be seen in Eorzea, just like the ao ra was.

Oh and... They are presumed to not be beast-men, at least can be more human than the already not human for a cent Lupin, Vangaa would be a totaly différent problem since they are totaly beast-like, like Lupin who totaly look like dog whith fur everywhere but on two legs.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

They're already approaching that point with the Au Ra though, at least with the males.
There are quite a few FF-Games with no racial variety whatsoever; most FF games have a mostly - if not entirely - human cast. Earlier FFs had the occational dwarfs and elfs, but later games usually had the odd non-human cast member at most, even if there were multiple races. The only exceptions are usually spinoffs.
I guess I'm trying to say that I don't understand the disappointment, super-crazy-creative races have hardly been a staple if looking at the whole franchise. (Though I admit then when there where different races, they were usually notable.)

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Overall, I appreciate your opinion & points.

To point out: I never once commented on Au Ra, and lore wise I find them to be very interesting (especially with the fact that their culture has actually been a vital point in the MSQ). Design-wise, I do prefer their original concepts over the ones SE but for other reasons other than "slapping scales on a hume" (I am so sick of tiny, teenaged or younger looking girls as much as I love the Au Ra girls), though I do think they could have pushed the Au Ra a little more, like in their original concept designs. However, I'm not really talking about Au Ra, I'm talking about our other races which may or may not serve as the base for new races. Elezen, Roe, Lala, Hyur, et cetera. They're all very "hume." And while - yes - there are a lot of very "hume" races throughout the FF franchise (Dwarves, Cetra, Al Bhed, et cetera), there are still lot of "fantastical" ones scattered across multiple titles. Many titles title (not every title, let me emphasise) of FF does have more "fantastical" races like Yukes & Lilty (CC), Mermaids (FF1), Werewolves (FF5), Shumi+others (FF8), Qu+others (FF9), Ronso+others (FF10), Nu Mou+everything (TT, FF12), et cetera. They don't need to be super-creative-and-totally-original-to-FFXIV, but it would be nice if they they were a little more than just different phenotypes of humans (like Elezen, Roe, Lala, and Hyur). For example, I think it would have been better if Lalas had been lilties design-wise (but even then, maybe lilties would've been considered as beasts, along with Yukes and mermaids and Shumi and Qu and Ronso and so on). While I understand it's part of the lore for FFXIV, I find it a bit disappointing because what appealed to me in other FF games were the more fantastical elements. I still like it for the story and the new areas are gorgeous, but it's lacking something the other titles have.

Edit: it probably shows, but my favourites were 8, 9, 10, 12, different CC's, so with those being my favourites I think that's where the disappointment comes in.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

The only thing that we see different from Lupins and the other races are their heads....

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The face is the first thing people see. If you're on a wagon and Amal'jaa or Sahagin or whatever show up to blast the wagon away, do you think people in Eorzea are going to respond well to a wolf face? Like... how can you possibly rationalise a fanged animal face on a miqo'te's body when a fanged animal face on a roe-like body is terrifying? (Edit: let me emphasise: we didn't start in Doma. We started in Eorzea during a time where beast clans/beast-like figures were truly terrifying even if they were innocuous.)

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Originally Posted by Nariel

[Viera] have the only avantage of being an already existing race in the FF franchise.

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Werewolves exist in FF5

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

Werewolves exist in FF4

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You mean FFV, right? Kelger (one of the original Dawn Warriors) and the village (Quelb) of Wolfmen?

What I don't understand is, the devs could have made the Lupin more beastly and more animal-like but instead chose to make them more humanoid. And why go through the trouble of introducing a Lupin in the first place with a event to then have a him decide to travel Eorzea and befriend its populace? If I recall correctly, it was the first time a "beast" was part of a seasonal event.

Lupins run like all the playable races, have some the same gestures/emotes as the playable races. And I know the expressions on their faces look bland but it could be worked upon. It looks like they are slowly integrating them in. With Kelgar too, being a part of Eureka, it just seems like the Lupin have more potential to becoming a new playable race than Viera even though fans want them more.Yes, the Viera is mentioned within 4.3.

New races will mostly likely always be a problem. This is a game and people want to play a fantasy where they can enjoy themselves. But whatever the case, it'd be nice to have a change to the playable races. It'd be new to see this happen. And it'd be somewhat unique to XIV. I'd enjoy it and hope it happens.

And, if Amaterasu does appear in the game, she will probably be a mount for collecting all the dog mounts from the extreme trials. But I feel as though Yatagarasu will be a thing in the future.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

You mean FFV, right? Kelger (one of the original Dawn Warriors) and the village (Quelb) of Wolfmen?

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Yes, thank you~. Not sure why I got 4 stuck on the brain.
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(Sorry for the late edit, net keeps dying every 40 seconds.)

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Originally Posted by Draikir

New races will mostly likely always be a problem. This is a game and people want to play a fantasy where they can enjoy themselves. But whatever the case, it'd be nice to have a change to the playable races. It'd be new to see this happen. And it'd be somewhat unique to XIV. I'd enjoy it and hope it happens.

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While I agree that it would be cool to have more "interesting" races on FFXIV (and I did thought it would be cool to have playable Lupins at first), a part of me now hopes Lupins don't become a playable race (I'm sorry, guys!) because the more I thought about it the less it made sense to me. In the end it doesn’t really affect me or my game, so I don’t really care if they do implement Lupin as a playable race (I wouldn’t change my character to Lupin so it wouldn’t affect my character’s history), but I think it might make FFXIV & SE look bad if they… can’t even follow their own lore. Yes, they work in Doma. Yes, they may work in Eorzea now with people trying to find alternate solutions to dealing with tempered people and actually trying to negotiate with beastmen, etc., but they don't work with our history.

What I'm curious about is why do you want Lupin of all things? Sure, they've been shown in FFXIV, but there's got to be more to it than that. Of all the more bestial species you could demand and fight for, why Lupin? They're not exactly the most interesting (for lack of a better word). Aren’t there any more bestial species you would rather see and play?

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P.S. Trixie, emojis/emotes have nothing to do with age. They’re a tool to convey tone and expression through informal written language, like /joy in game.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

What I'm curious about is why do you want Lupin of all things? Sure, they've been shown in FFXIV, but there's got to be more to it than that. Of all the more bestial species you could demand and fight for, why Lupin?

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To me, it's because they have the best chance of being playable out of all the Beast NPC's in the game. They can wear 'human' clothes, they live amongst humans (not segregated), they don't exactly have a tribe (that we know of) and aren't killed on sight by Garleans (instead are/were a part of their army). They were also considered to be a playable race in the past.

Heck, quite a few races were considered.
https://i.imgur.com/4pdmz7A.jpg

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

What I'm curious about is why do you want Lupin of all things? Sure, they've been shown in FFXIV, but there's got to be more to it than that. Of all the more bestial species you could demand and fight for, why Lupin? They're not exactly the most interesting (for lack of a better word). Aren’t there any more bestial species you would rather see and play?.

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Sure there were other races that would've been cool and probably better. If not the Lupin, it would have been the Tactics or XII's version of the moogles. It would have been my, I guess, other option to a Lalafel. Though that got crossed out in this patch seeing that Montblanc was just a FFXIV moogle and not the Ivalician/Tactics one. It would've been cool to run around as another small race besides a Lala. Those moogles I felt would have fit into XIV.

With the Lupin, I was surprised to see them in this expansion. It is odd to find them in this but cool. I understand that Lupins mightbe cliche or overused in a lot of things which in turn would make them less interesting. But what I do find interesting is why the devs decided to put them in this expansion. I just want to know what Yoshi-P has in store for them whether they are a going to be a regular beast tribe with daily quests or something more. And as Nestama said they do have the best chance of being a playable race. Also, I just like wolves to simply put it and it's different from what Square usually does.

lupins are gross looking if they changed them up a bit then maybe im not super opposed to the idea of a dog vs cat but not as is those things are trifling

You know when people say “how will x race work there’s no customisation” I think back to when we had an au ra called yugiri who was coverd head to toe her horns bent and went from top of her head to sides of her head who they retroactively edited in a later patch due to the constant changing of the race since the final au ra design was done after yugiri’s introduction, just Becuse the racers the much now dosnt mean it can’t become something later :)

I'm all for more new races.

I think a playable lupin race will have limited character customization. All the lupins we have seen so far look the same. I can see face and hair customization being a problem, among a few other things. I don't really like their mouth movement or how their hands look either. I guess the lupin look a little fake? I don't think the devs were planning on making lupin a playable race, which is why all lupins we've seen look the same. Lupins don't appear to be crafted with as much room for customization as the playable races we have now. It would be a little weird for all the npc lupins to look the same, while yours was the only one to look different, unless there are different tribes of lupin that look different from one another. We don't know if all lupins looking the same is an established fact or not.

Compared to the playable races, I feel like lupin lacks polish and care in animation, mouth movements, and body type (I think werewolves should look a little more buff). They also seem to lack room for customization judging by all the lupins we've seen so far. If there are different tribes of lupin that look different, that's a different story. I'm not opposed to the lupin, though, and I would be fine with it added as a playable race even though I would not play as one myself.