Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

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Originally Posted by Feyona

No, many of your posts have been aimed at me and where have I been dishonest? If your talking about the parse look it up yourself, your not the first person to try that approach to discredit what I say but you cant discredit the truth nice try. look up 62 or something percentile dont know exact figures but if your going to call people lazy get your facts right first. At least Im 50 or so player base of parsed reports for dps heals on that fight not that it matters but as proof in this case that Im not lying to anyone. And Illalso tell you why it doesnt matter, because it could have been the other healer dpsing and my activity would maybe have been heals as in the case uof the 'low' dps thing in an earlier post, active? Yes and not cos I dont dps sometimes

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Hey ^^ Glad to see you're still working away at improving your game as a Healer. You even have more accuracy then when you made that Healer DPS thread from being kicked by your Alex Savage Static.

That's awesome you're working on increasing the damage you do on Creator Normal, that's a great place to start. 62% on A9N is a solid effort @ 600 DPS. I"ve been trying to push into the 1700 range on A9S myself but I don't get to do much fluffing on the adds.

Keep at improving your game. Who knows what 4.0 will bring.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Dsync

Misuse/Overuse of words devalues the impact of them.


You're right, I do not want to accommodate people who want to be carried (Lots of people don't.), so I'll leave. They can carry on being bog average on someone elses time. If that makes us bigots? Oh well, keep calling them that so then that word means nothing any more.

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How on earth do you equate keeping people alive with being carried? Again you have no idea, I know for a fact my team would have died without my healing on Zurvan ex and on the numerous times Ive cleare a10s and a9s and not always with the same group. I just cannot fathom that logic. So I did nothing to contrbute to the team succeeding because I kept them alive by healing them and giving buffs?

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Originally Posted by Feyona

How on earth do you equate keeping people alive with being carried? Again you have no idea, I know for a fact my team would have died without my healing on Zurvan ex and on the numerous times Ive cleare a10s and a9s and not always with the same group. I just cannot fathom that logic. So I did nothing to contrbute to the team succeeding because I kept them alive by healing them and giving buffs?

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You are being carried if everyone else is putting in double the effort. Please use your brain. In that case you are talking about you're making it sound like you only had time to heal. In that case then no one will take issue there.

Once again you've moved your argument from all content, to Savage/Ex as it suits your argument. This is where you are being dishonest and shows your true intentions. It's not once or twice you've done it, it's constantly.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Hey ^^ Glad to see you're still working away at improving your game as a Healer. You even have more accuracy then when you made that Healer DPS thread from being kicked by your Alex Savage Static.

That's awesome you're working on increasing the damage you do on Creator Normal, that's a great place to start. 62% on A9N is a solid effort @ 600 DPS. I"ve been trying to push into the 1700 range on A9S myself but I don't get to do much fluffing on the adds.

Keep at improving your game. Who knows what 4.0 will bring.

Cheers.

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Hello :) I wondered about the old crowd. Well yeah Ive seen the parse of sch doing 1700dps, Im sure you will get there, enjoy yourself

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Originally Posted by Taika

What you don't get is, healers don't have any more valid playstyle options than any other job in the game. If a DRG (or literally any other job than a healer) would start a similar discussion about feeling too stressed about having to use their full rotation and all buffs, especially in the difficult content like Savage, and wishing to choose to use only half of their abilities instead because of that.

Savage content can be stressful and it requires a lot from everyone, we all understand that. It's also not for everyone exactly because of that.

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Yes but to me it is stressful to manage two classes which you think is one, and I think that for the simple reason that we have 36 or so spells and you cant possibly use them all in the space allowed. I say that, because you are always saying that if you have a spell its got to be used for optimum efficiency. Well lets see what happens I heard its going to be nerfed

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

You were talking about endgame, savage and extreme content. Now you're shifting to a more broadly applied, general statement.

Stop trying to have it both ways and willfully misunderstanding what people are saying.

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oh no was still talking about savage. Some just jump to wrong conclusions sometimes about what I mean, Its not always their fault though, it maybe cos I dont explain everything I think particularly on here sometime people are looking for ways to misunderstand, not necessarily saying you have but its there

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

I've only ever seen one person talk about kicking healers for not dpsing. And I can understand and agree with him because he does it in endgame content. And in endgame, if you're not dpsing as a healer, you either don't know how to heal well or you're just lazy. And if you don't know your role well or you're lazy, I don't know why you're even trying to do endgame content in the first place.

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well I am doing end game so whats your point? Plus I know the type of guy your talking about , and hes usually a carpet but thinks hes hardcore and Ive played with this type and had to keep sweeping him off the floor. Having a big mouth doesnt give you a big._.._in that case , think I can say he was carried through sephi ex several times

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

1700.

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*Flexes* My a9 normal is like 700... ps4 life :[[[

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Really? Im a healer so I should be excluded if I dont or cant dps? That is morally wrong. Especially as said before that healer dps is not an absolute requirement Hill skill yes but not doubling up on two classes no other class has around 36 skills they have to use. And I also have to state that scholar does have the heaing requirements necessary. Have to remind people here that sch mained a12s. Agai personal preference and your view is very biased towards sch being OH

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Depends on the setting. In dungeons, I may or may not care depending on how it is influencing the run. If you jump around though, I'll issue a vote dismissal instantly or simply stand in everything. It's extremely irksome to me when healers not only refuse to DPS but draw attention to the fact they're literally contributing so little they have time to jump around the map.

In a farm party, I'll be more inclined to leave if I see low healer DPS. I want to clear Zurvan because I'm there for a bird and it will likely take 100+ attempts. Your lack of damage makes clearing content less efficient. In a farm party, all I care about is efficiency. It's one thing not to have the job meta since the damage difference isn't a big deal but to have a healer(s) not DPS can be upwards of 1,000+ DPS just thrown away.

For Savage. I will simply not raid with any healer who refuses to DPS on a serious level. Newer raiders? Absolutely. I didn't turn off Grit once when I first stepped in after switching from Dragoon. I do not expect new raiders to play at a optimal level since they are learning. I'm only there to help them along. When I'm raiding with a static, we're there to clear fights each week and improve.

There is no morality here. You aren't entitled to clears simply because you want to play a certain way. If you happen to find a casual group willing to accept it, good for you. But to complain the vast majority won't isn't anyone's fault except your own. Savage is meant to push your knowledge of the job you play. Many a times people corrected my rotation when I was first stepping in to directly improve my performance. I expect the same from everyone not just healers.

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Originally Posted by Taika

What you don't get is, healers don't have any more valid playstyle options than any other job in the game. If a DRG (or literally any other job than a healer) would start a similar discussion about feeling too stressed about having to use their full rotation and all buffs, especially in the difficult content like Savage, and wishing to choose to use only half of their abilities instead because of that, absolutely no one would support that. But for some weird reason some people think we should accept that for healers - and healers only.

Savage content can be stressful and it requires a lot from everyone, we all understand that. It's also not for everyone exactly because of that.

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I just want to touch on this being a DRG main. Do you know how much I cry over Blood of the Dragon because Cruise Chaser decided to jump a little early or Geirskogul didn't go off before phase transition. My raid group even jokes about it because they know the exact moment and occasionally tease me about it (so cruel). That doesn't I stop using BotD. I either adapt to the phase pushes if they're consistent enough or I suck it up and wait until it's up again and cry over my lost DPS loss.

I say heal if you wish since that is your primary role. The whole if you don't heal you don't know your role argument is poor one if you ask me. The class is called a healer, not a DPS. If you are doing the primary role of your class, you know your role. You are not lazy, you are just playing the game that you find entertaining for you. That is NOT affecting your team, or at least not affecting your team in a major way. It's not causing your team to die, if anything it makes the fight slightly shorter. Unless we are talking about those static raids on extreme mode..but still that doesn't excuse the behavior ive seen here.

As to the whole kicking over such, that is by far the most childish thing I have seen in this game. There are things to kick someone, but a minor annoyance such as a healer not using offensive spells? I will call you a child for that.