Please lift glamour restrictions!

I would have rolled a Dark Knight at level 1. Unfortunately, it's barred behind both the main game's content and five and a half patches of story content. Even the same, warrior is not marauder. Paladin has to play through conjurer and yet does not retain a wand. Dragoon plays through marauder, and it too changes weapons.

As an aside, I haven't been rude.

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

any piece of gear

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You're just talking about the generic gear, right? Because even in 1.0 the job specific sets could not be equipped by any job but the job it was locked to.

So 'any piece of gear could be equipped by all classes in 1.0' isn't really correct.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

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I vanished from this thread because the back and forth was getting absolutely ridiculous, but this... just doesn't follow at all. Please don't turn my request into something it absolutely is not. I am in NO WAY asking for the removal of jobs or armor sets designed around a particular job theme and pretending that I'm asking for that is disingenuous at best.

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

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You actually do. You lose the theme behind said gear, you lose the visual effect, you lose the meaning behind said gear, you lose what that piece of gear originally represented. You lose the identity. Anyone that tries to sell it otherwise is being dishonest at the absolute best.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I am in NO WAY asking for the removal of jobs or armor sets designed around a particular job theme and pretending that I'm asking for that is disingenuous at best.

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

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You lose the ability to wear job gear if there is no such thing as job gear. The proposal is to keep the gear we currently recognize as job gear but take away its job association and instead make it (at least its appearance, which is all that matters for this purpose anyway) into generic "All Classes" gear. Instead of the Dragoon AF, for example, showing that you're a Dragoon, it would only show that you like spiky stuff. Outfits that can display your job would be a thing of the past.

You're acting like we'd still have gear designed around a job theme, but once the same outfits can be worn equally by any job, there'd really no longer be any such thing as a job theme, at least not visually. So what, we'd be able to wear gear and remember when that style used to be associated with our job? That's a far cry from being able to wear gear that is associated with a job, and which can identify us as being on that job.

(Also, not all the AF gear comes from quests. The i90 sets are available as a trade in from a dungeon drop. I think the AF2 sets are tome purchases. And DoH/DoL AF can be bought off the Market Board. For any of those, you can collect the set for any class/job you feel like, even if you've never even unlocked it, let alone leveled it. Currently, there's no reason to do so, since you'd need the job to be able to use its AF, but with unrestricted glamour, people would.)

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Please don't turn my request into something it absolutely is not. I am in NO WAY asking for the removal of jobs or armor sets designed around a particular job theme

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

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He is not saying that you want the theme gear removed or for SE to cease creating it, he was saying your request removes the feature of 'unique to one job only' gear. If the all gear can be worn/glamoured by all jobs then it removes the feature of having pieces of gear that only one specific job can wear/glamour. It no longer exists so it is therefore lost.

I realize you personally do not care for the feature in question, but that doesn't somehow make it so your suggestion isn't removing anything. You just think it doesn't because you don't like the feature so personally you feel nothing was lost. Factually though? Yeah, something was removed: pieces of gear that are only wearable and glamourable by one job only.

I am not sure how you can argue a fact? It isn't just an opinion or question...something is factually lost by your suggestion even if you don't personally care about what it is that was lost.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Oh, and 'Stop trying to force that 'I only want unrestricted creative options and I want others subjected to this rule too' viewpoint on others.' I tweaked it a bit, but sound familiar? You might want to look closely at what I am showing you here.

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I understand youre making a sincere attempt at a comeback here (by GOD you get major points for creativity attempting to 'tweak' my words) but did you even read what you tried to tweak? *insert tyranical kingly voice* "I DEMAND ye be subjected to greater creative options. I DEMAND ye be made to suffer by being allowed to have more ways of expressing yourself artistically."

Ya got me Miste. Yeeep...that reeeally makes me a terrible person.

...heres the difference in contrast with your attempted 'tweaking': I WANT more creative options, which you can either enjoy as well....or ignore completely in favor of maintaining some time honored ff tradition (lol). Such a request has no impact on those who chose not to utilize it. On the other hand, YOU want the restriction maintained for all, so that neither you, NOR I can make use of it. (again..why I stated to each his own, live and let live) So whose trying to force something upon another here hmm??

Liiiiike I said...just cracks the hell out of me that the one person with more posts on the thread than anyone else is also the person going directly against said thread's message. *stamps foot "I'm here to make my viewpoint heard dabnabbit!* yes...yes you most certainly are.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

When I complete my next White Mage quest, I want to be able to wear the iconic set that identifies me as a fully trained White Mage. You're proposing that I should no longer be allowed to do that.

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Can you read Niwashi? Yes, you say? Good! (I had absolute faith you could!) Now that that's been established, lets read the title with this thread together, shall we~ 'PLEASE LIFT GLAM RESTRICTIONS." Contrary to your above statement, yeaaaaaah...that actually does suggest adding stuffs. Cuz like, ya know, when that ol restriction gets lifted, extra options get opened up that weren't previously there. Cool, huh? ...no? /le sigh.

So you think that, by asking for a lift on gear glam restrictions, Im proposing you no longer be allowed to be identified as a certified, bonified, professional, gee golly wiz state-o-the-art whitemage? That because some drg lets the same white robes as you flap in the wind as hes jumping insteada healing, your very ff-ish persona is devalued beyond all hope of salvation, hmmmm?? Heres the thing....gonna say it ooone more time, purely for the sake of saying it one more time: Live...and let live. I couldn't care less if you took said robes, stripped completely nekkie, wrapped them around a lance, went to Uldah...and beat the 1st homeless lala you came across senseless with them. What you choose to do (or not do) with your valued time honored well earned job gear..means less to me than the rocks squished into the patterns on the bottom of my shoe.

"I don't wanna see my precious armor on someone who has no right to wear it."

Why the hell should I have to be subjected to a standard you wanna inflict upon yourself when I couldn't give a crap about the lore? Contrary to what you may think..this isn't a 2-way arguement that goes both ways. By maintaining such a restriction...you get your way...while I suffer. In reverse, by lifting said restriction, you can maintain your traditional love while I get to make cool new designs. You still have 100% access to the pieces of your chosen profession...to be used however you so see fit. Nothing...contrary to your claims...is being 'taken away' from you.

"B-but people will get confused because my great whm-ness will no longer stand out as unique and that nasty drg will take some of mah glory away!" ~~well gee..thats what the "Examine' function is for.


Not speaking about you personally my dear Niwashi...but this has GOT to be, collectively, one of the biggest instances of grossly misplaced sentimentality me has ever come across.

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

"I don't wanna see my precious armor on someone who has no right to wear it."

Why the hell should I have to be subjected to a standard you wanna inflict upon yourself when I couldn't give a crap about the lore?

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Devs have already spoken on this part anyways. It's most likely not gonna happen, and I understand you couldn't give a crap about the lore, but I believe, the point is, players want to preserve what the devs (the creators, otherwise) already have created.

Also, less salt intake.

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Originally Posted by Domeric

Even the same, warrior is not marauder.

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For the original classes and jobs. The job is literally a specialization of the base class designed for group content. Been that way since 1.21. Which is why the lore for the majority of them is written as a lost specialization rediscovered. If WAR was not a specialization of MRD then it wouldn't have inherited all its traits, actions, and weapon.

SE clearly stated with its introduction: "the new job system focuses on growing and strengthening the main character class."

This will be even more relevant when SE changes cross-class abilities into universal role abilities.