I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

I didn't lie. and I stand by what I said. Not once did I say that the parent intentionally allowed the child to get burned.

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In this analogy, wouldn't the parent be dutifully watching over thier child, making sure that they do not touch the hot stove - and if they did, immediately providing medical aid and attention?

Kind of like how the tank stays out in front of a group, and pulls enemies off of any other players who happens to pull them. YPYT would be the equivalent of a parent going "well you put your hand on the stove kiddo, time to just sit there and think about your second degree burns."

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

If you are consciously and regularly making the choice to pull one pack at a time, independent of considerations for your party dps/healing, yeah you're absolutely a bad tank. There are extreme edge-cases where you might choose to do 1 pack, but 95% of the time you should be pulling 2 packs at minimum.

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You didn't read much of anything that I posted after it seems. You don't get to decide what someone "should" be pulling. Only the tank decides that as is their role. Again w2w is purely a player made course of action and the game itself tells you you don't have to do that (which I provided proof of). You don't have to like it but the facts are the facts.

W2w is OPTIONAL

A thread from 2015... that's back when HW was the current expansion and when tanking AND healing actually required some level of skill to play exceptionally well (stance dancing, aggro management that even DPS had to work with as well, cross-class skills, etc).

Why this thread is back in 2022 where tanking is extremely easy by comparison is beyond me. Just AoE, use some mits here and there and you're fine no matter what. Just pull everything (this is the only way you can ever know if your party can handle it). Even someone who doesn't main healer will keep you alive just fine (I honestly didn't think I'd like SGE at all due to it being a shield healer and yet here I am). Only time pulling one at a time is justified is if the DPS AND Healer are terrible.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

You don't get to decide what someone "should" be pulling. Only the tank decides that as is their role. Again w2w is purely a player made course of action and the game itself tells you you don't have to do that (which I provided proof of). You don't have to like it but the facts are the facts.

W2w is OPTIONAL

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You're entitled to your opinion my dude, it's just not the norm. If you wanna single pull, by all means single pull. Just don't be surprised if a dps or healer pulls more or potentially get kicked.

If the healer/dps pulls and dies, move on. The group can vote kick the tank ,the healer/dps will leave, or the will suck it up and do a boring ass slow run. It's really whatever.

If the 3 out of 4 want to go faster I find the tank is being selfish. But hey, that's my personal opinion, just as you have yours.

Loathe though i feel to contribute to a thread that is not only a blatant necro, but one of a topic that still comes up ALL THE FREAKING TIME and thus was not needing said necro to attain a position in the current discussion... Ill just add one thought.

Outside of situations where the healer/dps are completely asleep/incompetent, a single-pulling tank is redundant. A waste of a group slot. A decent healer can either keep a DPS alive who is tanking a single pull, or keep themselves alive while they tank it personally. I have BLM tanked almost every dungeon in the game. Either intentionally, or when the tank had connection issues and dropped. Why just sit and wait 5-10+ mins for someone to return who might not even be coming back? You keep pulling. If the healer is confident, you dont even stop when you get to a boss. You just go right in. Most tankbusters can be handled with a shield and a quick spot heal after. Nothing remotely requiring a full tank-kit to handle.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Loathe though i feel to contribute to a thread that is not only a blatant necro, but one of a topic that still comes up ALL THE FREAKING TIME and thus was not needing said necro to attain a position in the current discussion... Ill just add one thought.

Outside of situations where the healer/dps are completely asleep/incompetent, a single-pulling tank is redundant. A waste of a group slot. A decent healer can either keep a DPS alive who is tanking a single pull, or keep themselves alive while they tank it personally. I have BLM tanked almost every dungeon in the game. Either intentionally, or when the tank had connection issues and dropped. Why just sit and wait 5-10+ mins for someone to return who might not even be coming back? You keep pulling. If the healer is confident, you dont even stop when you get to a boss. You just go right in. Most tankbusters can be handled with a shield and a quick spot heal after. Nothing remotely requiring a full tank-kit to handle.

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Entitled blm dps complaining about entitled tanks. Fantastic.

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Originally Posted by Thorio

Entitled blm dps complaining about entitled tanks. Fantastic.

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Stating facts isn't entitlement, you might need to look up what the word means before using it.
It's true that any dps can tank an entire dungeon doing single pulls and melees with Arm's Lengths & Bloodbath can even get away with the occasional double pull, from the earliest leveling dungeons to 90 dungeons. Tankbusters don't kill dps at full HP + either some mitigation or shield, low level dungeon tankbusters don't kill anyone when taken raw; not even healers/ casters.
So yes, a tank that sticks to single pulls is essentially a wasted slot because at this point they are gimped dps: you don't need to heal them noticeably less than a dps but they deal roughly half as much dps. If the group is fine with single pulls, that is their decision.
But the fact still stands that a single pulling tank is as much overkill as, say, two healers would be in a 4man when you barely need one for a smooth and easy run. The content isn't nearly threatening enough to warrant a tank when pulling small.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Stating facts isn't entitlement, you might need to look up what the word means before using it.
It's true that any dps can tank an entire dungeon doing single pulls and melees with Arm's Lengths & Bloodbath can even get away with the occasional double pull, from the earliest leveling dungeons to 90 dungeons. Tankbusters don't kill dps at full HP + either some mitigation or shield, low level dungeon tankbusters don't kill anyone when taken raw; not even healers/ casters.
So yes, a tank that sticks to single pulls is essentially a wasted slot because at this point they are gimped dps: you don't need to heal them noticeably less than a dps but they deal roughly half as much dps. If the group is fine with single pulls, that is their decision.
But the fact still stands that a single pulling tank is as much overkill as, say, two healers would be in a 4man when you barely need one for a smooth and easy run. The content isn't nearly threatening enough to warrant a tank when pulling small.

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No one cares about your "facts". We're all playing a game to have fun and you don't pay their subs. I pull w2w when the healer can handle it but I'm not gonna act like an entitled "omg kick them out" baby when I'm not the tank and they choose to single pull.
Like someone said, w2w is a player made choice, nowhere does the game teaches you or say you have to do it.

Is this topic still on the first page?

Heck, reliving this post from 2015 was, without a doubt, the biggest bait I've ever seen. I need to congratulate the troll who did this.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

Is this topic still on the first page?

Heck, reliving this post from 2015 was, without a doubt, the biggest bait I've ever seen. I need to congratulate the troll who did this.

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They're just right above you. Also look at the thread's tag.