Novus weapon upgrade system findings

I had a revelation after seeing that you can have more than 2 stats on your weapon.

Instead of doing tier IVs, you could add in another stat to make up for it to reach 75 to finish it.

Artemis Bow Novus could potentially be

determination: 23
critical hit rate: 33
accuracy: 19

instead of

determination 31
critical hit rate: 44

This would save you from having to do tier IVs. You'd only have to do I, II and III. This build would still be superior to the unweathered rosenbogen, which is 31 critical hit rate and 44 skill speed.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I had a revelation after seeing that you can have more than 2 stats on your weapon.

Instead of doing tier IVs, you could add in another stat to make up for it to reach 75 to finish it.

Artemis Bow Novus could potentially be

determination: 23
critical hit rate: 33
accuracy: 19

instead of

determination 31
critical hit rate: 44

This would save you from having to do tier IVs. You'd only have to do I, II and III. This build would still be superior to the unweathered rosenbogen, which is 31 critical hit rate and 44 skill speed.

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A distribution that requires no or few tier IVs is likely what most people will go for, for materia where IV cost significantly more than III.
When I checked the market board today for materia I myself need, III and IV had roughly the same cost though.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

A distribution that requires no or few tier IVs is likely what most people will go for, for materia where IV cost significantly more than III.
When I checked the market board today for materia I myself need, III and IV had roughly the same cost though.

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Really? On my server, IV are like 200k and IIIs are 30k

Relics were only best really when it was relics only in FFXI then mythics were better, even for a short time empyearen were better then relics. The only thing SE needs to do to make the grind worth it for all players without even nerfing any of the quests is giving them a small special buff like FFXI did. Where you got a dmg multiplier at small %. Or give tanks a dmg reduction buff at small %. Though i'm perfectly fine with them as is. I like having weapons where not many ppl will own them. It's why I like pvp gear before wintrading.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I had a revelation after seeing that you can have more than 2 stats on your weapon.

Instead of doing tier IVs, you could add in another stat to make up for it to reach 75 to finish it.

Artemis Bow Novus could potentially be

determination: 23
critical hit rate: 33
accuracy: 19

instead of

determination 31
critical hit rate: 44

This would save you from having to do tier IVs. You'd only have to do I, II and III. This build would still be superior to the unweathered rosenbogen, which is 31 critical hit rate and 44 skill speed.

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that set up is pretty good imo. gain det, lose some acc, get ride of skill speed(why bow?) and get the ever needed crit hit. as for meeting acc cap for things, the acc loss shouldnt hurt you too much, because you can get that from other gear.

It is easy to hit acc cap on BRD without taking weapon into account. Putting accuracy on relic is just gimping it, and I really don't think anyone would want to repeat this process.

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Originally Posted by Billzey

It is easy to hit acc cap on BRD without taking weapon into account. Putting accuracy on relic is just gimping it, and I really don't think anyone would want to repeat this process.

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I think the whole point is future-proofing your relic though, because once 2.4 hits HA weapons will no longer be BiS and there will likely be another relic upgrade and you don't want to get stuck with acc issues if the new sets of gear severely lack it.

This is something I've felt conflicted about and I think I'll just save up all my alex and wait until 2.4 to see what stats I'll actually need before infusing any materia into my scroll. The weapon isn't BiS now anyway and is only a marginal increase over Rosenbogen even with full crit/dtr, so why bother with it now?

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Originally Posted by permbanned

I think the whole point is future-proofing your relic though, because once 2.4 hits HA weapons will no longer be BiS and there will likely be another relic upgrade and you don't want to get stuck with acc issues if the new sets of gear severely lack it.

This is something I've felt conflicted about and I think I'll just save up all my alex and wait until 2.4 to see what stats I'll actually need before infusing any materia into my scroll. The weapon isn't BiS now anyway and is only a marginal increase over Rosenbogen even with full crit/dtr, so why bother with it now?

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Hmm... I like this idea, and by then you can spirit bond many many materia so you won't go broke in the process... The only problem I see with this idea is if the next part of the relic quest in 2.4 is kinda the same way, where your secondary stats disappear, and you make new ones to take place of your old ones during the new Startdust Rod Zodiac, and then the same on the Stardust Rod Ultra Super Street fighter III!!!

The only problem I see with that idea, is if it follows the pattern where you use an "even" amount of materia grades across all melds, then it'll wind up being more Grade IVs overall, simply less Grade IVs per type. Also as I recall reading before, Det, if used as the 2nd secondary attribute will only go as high as 22 if you take the first secondary to 44 for a total of 66 since Det will always have a lower cap regardless. However what I'm not too sure on is what the max Det would be if its used as a 2nd or 3rd secondary attribute of 3 (or more) vs only the 2nd out of 2. 33 + 23 +19 does add up to 75, but the real question will be, how high can you take Det if there's going to be more than 2 secondary attributes? That said, using 2 secondary attributes looks at 16 Grade Is, 16 Grade IIs, and 17 Grade IIIs and 17 Grade IVs if they use close to an even amount of Materia Grades per tier.

If that's too confusing, for 1st secondary, in this case being Crit of 44, 11 Grade Is before next Grade is required, then its 11 IIs, then 11 IIIs then 11 IVs. Then for Determination as the 2nd secondary of 22, you can't divide it by 4 evenly as a whole number, so it'd wind up being 5 Is, 5 IIs, 6 IIIs and 6 IVs for a total of 16, 16, 17 and 17. However, using a 33, 23 and 19 secondaries like Skill/Spell Speed, Crit, Acc and Parry, it'll wind up being 8, 8, 8, 9 for the 33, then 5, 6, 6, 6 for the 23 and 4, 5, 5, 5 for the 19. Bringing it to a total of 17 Is, 19 IIs, 19 IIIs and 20 IVs. Granted this is just a random thought I had by using what I've read in this entire thread from the first page, so it may or may not actually be true.

But I believe using Determination on your relic will wind up needing less IVs (by like 1 or 2) overall vs going with Skill/Spell Speed, Crit, Acc and/or Parry simply due to them being able to cap higher than Determination. But since I'm not going to be working all that hard at doing the Novus quest, I'm not about to math it all out right away and see what'll be the best idea just yet, also I don't have all the information I'd need just yet to make that choice either.

Infuse 8(9) Det Grade 2 100% Chance +1 Det
Infuse 9 (10) Det Grade2 100% Chance +1 Det

#s in () for the total infuses, accidentaly did one crit =)