Dark Knight Megathread

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Why? In 99% of situations, Plunge is literally just another random OGCD. You could shuffle the potency of its charges to say, the Shadowbringer charges and literally nothing would change with DRK. That's a failure of design when the primary design purpose of a skill is utilized so insanely rarely compared to its secondary usage.

Removing the potency means that the new gap closer gets to be an *actual* gapcloser as it was designed. I just only hope that it copies MNK's Thunderclap and lets you warp to allies as well, then it can be used as nice skill expression for uptime purposes. Doubly so if they follow through on the 'in DT we wont make boss hitboxes the size of planets' comment Yoshi-P made in a previous liveletter/fanfest.

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From what it looks like they also only turned them into dashes on the jobs that already had a lot of offensive oGCDs, Dark Knight and Gunbreaker. Warrior and Paladin still seem to have kept their old gap closers.

Now it could be entirely possible that they kept the old animations for those two and just removed the potency, would just be a bit odd.

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Originally Posted by Keagian

The thing they pretty much said was, suffer for 2.5 years with a shitty rotation until we decide if we're gonna fix the job.

Which pretty much just means, to play the other tanks that are actually fun and forget DRK exists because they couldn't be bother to fix it this expansion.

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Get back to me when you found one.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Also, they consolidated the 123 into 1 button.

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That's not how it works.

They have to , if you want new buttons they gonna merge old button to do the same. God bless for gap closer do no dmg, high ping player will not die by server trash ticks.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Also, they consolidated the 123 into 1 button.

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Huh ?? Is this something they are really doing ?? :(
I really hope not.

Any consolidations they've done will be given the option to use or not.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

Huh ?? Is this something they are really doing ?? :(
I really hope not.

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No they're not.
Core rotation is exempt from it. The consolidation option is for combo button skills like Gnashing Fang or the new Delirium combo.

So the rotation will still basically be 123 spam until its time to mash whatever button you put bloodspiller on.

I...actually quite like the updates we got, we've even gotten a few things I've asked for.

Delirium actually has a combo now instead of being bloodspiller vomit, and it's really damn cool at that. As much as I would like there to be more to it, this at least will make it feel better to use every minute.

Living Shadow actually does grant a new ability that both you and Fray use. It may not be at the same time, but DAMN does it look satisfying.

These changes don't really fix monotonous 1-2-3 downtime, but we still have yet to see specifics from the media tour. (I'm not really expecting it to be fixed, all things considered. given that they thought it was okay to give us 1-2-3 spam for two expansions in a row somehow. And it's looking like it's going for 3)

I'll miss plunge, don't get me wrong, but frankly I like the new gap closer more, because we actually use it specifically to be a gap closer. A movement tool. I don't like the "gap-closers" that are just used as rotational ogcd's.

Occasional reminder WAR gets to have both Onslaught (unsure if damage stays) and Primal Rend as dashes.

Plunge + Shadow Step do not have to be mutually exclusive, could've always made Plunge something more interesting while adding new dash.

But I am sure the creativity is limited to their favourite tank.

I don't mind the changes either. But if I'm being honest, its very apparent that tanks were the role they put the least amount of time into this expansion. Every tank more or less got the exact same tools again.
Every tanks is getting an upgrade to Rampart, Reprisal and their 30%
Every tank got tacked on Finishers to existing skills

With this you can tell the homogenization complaints are pretty much falling on deaf ears, as unsurprising as that is.

Regardless my only concern about current DRK is how the combined Delirium/BW is going to function with only 3 stacks. It be nice to know if they've properly adjusted the MP gain, as they didn't adjust the blood gain but that seems to be the idea for removing the blood on Living Shadow.

And of course the eternal 123 spam is probably going to feel marginally worse without plunge to use. But its not like that helped much in the first place.

I'm also curious if any of the mitigations we have got adjusted in any meaningful way, or are we still only balancing for week 1 savage clears specifically with all other content being considered disposable.
Hopefully the 30% upgrades are more flavorful than just a universal buff. but my expectations are so low that I'm expecting the trait to lead "Cooldown reduced to 90 seconds".

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I don't mind the changes either. But if I'm being honest, its very apparent that tanks were the role they put the least amount of time into this expansion. Every tank more or less got the exact same tools again.
Every tanks is getting an upgrade to Rampart, Reprisal and their 30%
Every tank got tacked on Finishers to existing skills

With this you can tell the homogenization complaints are pretty much falling on deaf ears, as unsurprising as that is.

Regardless my only concern about current DRK is how the combined Delirium/BW is going to function with only 3 stacks. It be nice to know if they've properly adjusted the MP gain, as they didn't adjust the blood gain but that seems to be the idea for removing the blood on Living Shadow.

And of course the eternal 123 spam is probably going to feel marginally worse without plunge to use. But its not like that helped much in the first place.

I'm also curious if any of the mitigations we have got adjusted in any meaningful way, or are we still only balancing for week 1 savage clears specifically with all other content being considered disposable.
Hopefully the 30% upgrades are more flavorful than just a universal buff. but my expectations are so low that I'm expecting the trait to lead "Cooldown reduced to 90 seconds".

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Yeah, I'm curious to see how they adjust the MP there, or if they adjust the costs across the board.

I really hope that the 30% upgrades actually have flavor to them and not just "it's 40% now lol", but I'm keeping my expectations low and waiting until media tour, because god forbid we see what they do on each tank at the liveletter.

I personally find it easier to accidentally overcap blood without Living Shadow, so I don't see that as an entirely bad change, even if I am a bit iffy on it.

This does make me wonder, though, what level Delirium is going to grant the combo at, and if Delirium is going to be pushed to a higher level, since Bloodspiller looks like it potentially isn't tied to it anymore.