A summary of healer issues

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Huh? All of the healers have more AoE damage options than Scholar. Scholar is the only job in the game with only 1 AoE damage button. Why would giving back Bane suddenly mean they "have to give the other healers some more AoE damage options" when all of them except SCH have 3 or more?

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I think it would more be a numbers retuning thing.

Art does the most damage of all the healer AOEs.

Holy: 150
Art: 180
Gravity: 130
Dyskrasia: 170

...which becomes significant for each added enemy. For example, at 5 enemies, SCH is doing 250 more potency than AST would be (yes yes, Cards; that's part of balance). So if you gave SCH additional damage (DoTs), you'd have to reduce Art's damage or increase the other healer AOE damage options to balance them all out again. As some folks (Ty, for example) often point out here, back in ARR, SCH's damage was heavily DoT focused. How they achieved this was the DoTs had higher (relative) potency and Ruin had (relatively) lower. So let's say (for example) right now you do 1/3rd of your damage from Bio and 2/3rds from Broil. In ARR, it was more like 1/4th from Ruin and 3/4ths from all their DoTs added together.

So it's less the other healers would need more damage AOE options (if we ignore for a moment the people wanting more DPS buttons for all the healer Jobs) and more their abilities OR the other healer abilities would have to be retuned. Right now, the reason WHM's Glare and Dia do so much damage is because they don't have Cards (AST) or Chain (SCH), so the raw damage of their abilities is higher to compensate. Same with SGE.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Right now, the reason WHM's Glare and Dia do so much damage is because they don't have Cards (AST) or Chain (SCH), so the raw damage of their abilities is higher to compensate. Same with SGE.

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You're on about AOE though, since you're on about Bane being returned. Single target does not factor in here. And in AOE, SCH does the most damage with their AOE spam move even WITH Chain available to them. Yes, it's only on one mob, but there's also quite a few packs where one mob is significantly tankier than the rest (Behemoth and the goblins just before 2nd boss in latest dungeon). Also, Bane had a built in damage-reduction on the spread, first it was 10% diminishing per mob, then they converted it to a flat 60% reduction. I don't see why they'd need to bother changing much of anything. The damage of a Biolysis being spread by Bane in current game would be (700 - 60% = 280), but at the cost of a GCD to apply that Biolysis. Effectively, you'd be gaining 100p per mob (plus 520 for the main guy), but taking THIRTY seconds to reach that amount. Most pulls don't even last 30s.

Though instead of Bane, a move used specifically on AOE, I'd rather they had a move like what I've suggested: A retooled Shadowflare, which does not conflict with Soil, and drops a puddle on the floor under the targetted enemy for 15s, dealing 100p on cast and 50p per tick for 5 ticks, totalling 350p. This makes it useable on singletarget as a regular DOT, but also means it's worth using in AOE, but not high enough damage on cast to spam in AOE (else Art of Snore would become pointless). Bane was cool and all, but it's only going to be useful in AOE situations. It will be a 'dead button' in Raids, which makes it feel, to me at least, like it's not worth asking for. If SE were to go 'okay you get Bane back, that's your one wish gone and used' then I'd call it a waste, because SCH gameplay in Raid would still be the same as it is now

I wish they'd return ground targeted actions as such, or at least give the option to either use a ground targeted or target-centered version.

I like the additional control you can get, but hey, I guess they don't really add adds to bosses anymore so who needs the control outside of trash pulls where there's one fat enemy pushing the others away.

I wish the gtoff macro variants were an option in character configuration. I would like having just one button to push and place it wherever my mouse is, but also without the clunk of macros.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Huh? All of the healers have more AoE damage options than Scholar. Scholar is the only job in the game with only 1 AoE damage button. Why would giving back Bane suddenly mean they "have to give the other healers some more AoE damage options" when all of them except SCH have 3 or more?

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Yeah, in hindsight "options" wasn't the correct word. They would need to look at the tuning of those other healer AoEs.

What I sometime do when I'm with my friends in dungeon is to limit myself to a few skills.

For spells, I use :

• Dia
• Glare
• Cure 1
• Cure 2 when it's free (with freecure or thin air)
• Raise
• Benediction
• Regen and Medica 1 OR Medica 2

For aptitudes, I use :

• Lucid Dreaming
• Asyllum, Assize OR Tetragrammaton
• two other aptitudes (usually Swiftcast and Presence of Mind)

With those limitations, I ask my tank to not using regen skills and BOOM, I've something to heal and few time to dps.

ps : nooo, it's not a message just to keep this thread on the first page :rolleyes:

I just want to bump this thread becuase it's sort the accumulation of all the healer discussions happening. A lot of the discussion has moved over to general, but I think there's still value in keeping this on the front page.

This thread again huh? Still relevant after all these years.

It’s been a while. So many issues that still need to be addressed. And the people who originally brought all these issues up all left the game. Goes to show how much SE screwed up Healers for the past five years.

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Originally Posted by currentlemon

This thread again huh? Still relevant after all these years.

It’s been a while. So many issues that still need to be addressed. And the people who originally brought all these issues up all left the game. Goes to show how much SE screwed up Healers for the past five years.

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Worst part about it is, a point that has been brought up is that they'll see that the lack of healers means it's still too stressful or hard somehow and still just keep treading in the current direction.

It's sad and depressing to think about, but that's likely what's going to happen regardless of what anybody says. This has been going on for several years now, and they haven't budged an inch.

Someone passionate, listens to feedback and actually care about the health of healers in the ffxiv team needs to be promoted.

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Originally Posted by Zairava

Worst part about it is, a point that has been brought up is that they'll see that the lack of healers means it's still too stressful or hard somehow and still just keep treading in the current direction.

It's sad and depressing to think about, but that's likely what's going to happen regardless of what anybody says. This has been going on for several years now, and they haven't budged an inch.

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Healing too stressful > add/buff player defensives > tune content for said defensive > healing too stressful

Simultaneously, experienced players who use these defensives quit the game in droves, giving you a situation where both ends of the spectrum don't want to play the role.

Anyway, here's medica 3. Go play ultimate or something

Go play ultimate where the tank is still out healing you in single target but it’s 10% less egregious than in cleave content so everything is fine

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Go play ultimate where the tank is still out healing you in single target but it’s 10% less egregious than in cleave content so everything is fine

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While I agree that tank healing is getting to be too much, let's not overblow the situation here. No tank can outheal a healer, not even WAR. The problem is that no fight requires our HPS.

TOP was cleared without healers not because the DPS and tanks can outheal the healers, but because nothing kills you in that fight with a crumb of mitigation and damage is spaced out far enough that you don't need dedicated healing to get through. If you take a modern no healer team to do O4S, it wouldn't go as well. (So you cleared Grand Cross Omega? Take an Almagest.)

If they wanted to fix it, they'd have to up damage frequency, not damage intake. Let's imagine a fight that does 8k damage to the party every 3 seconds for 60 seconds, then let's look at one that does 80k damage every 30 seconds. They both do 160k after a minute, but one is significantly easier to do with no healers.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Someone passionate, listens to feedback and actually care about the health of healers in the ffxiv team needs to be promoted.

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Nah man they'll just get replaced after they start learning to heal Extreme Trials.

At this point it’s really not an exaggeration

On single target per minute WAR heals (this is all in healer potency btw and assuming that thrill isn’t used to buff any of these)

2400 potency from bloodwhetting ((5*400*2)*(6/5))/2

1100 potency from equilibrium

About 750 potency from storms path

So about 4250 healer potency per minute assuming bloodwhetting is used mostly on CD (6650 if you use glint instead of bloodwhetting) (if I used thrill to buff 1 bloodwhetting and equilibrium that’s adding an extra 420 potency per minute)


Now let’s look at WHM as a comparison, everything I listed for WAR is lossless healing, so let’s do the equivalent on WHM

3*800 for 3 charges of solace

About 1000 from Bene given a tanks HP bar is about 3000 potency of healing but you get it once per 3 minutes

600 from assize (AOE but you are going to use it on CD)

700 from tetra

1000 from bension

For a total of 5700

If I add lilybell and asylum for better comparison with glint (swapping solace with rapture would be unchanged since it’s 800*1 or 400*2

1050 for asylum

An extra 400 for assize

400 for lilybell

For 7550 total

So ignoring thrill WAR is competing with an actual healers single target potency given you’d never actually spend all 3 lilys on solace in a given encounter

Healers AOE potency being massively under-utilised is the bigger problem but WAR’s (and PLD isn’t far behind) single target potency is competing with the healers single target lossless potency at this point which is frankly ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Nah man they'll just get replaced after they start learning to heal Extreme Trials.

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At the very least we'll get a few runs of a proper amd engaging healer kit.

Honestly? Kind of sad that this thread has existed since ShB and is still relevant to this day. If any of the devs/community manager reads this, please understand that the people dissatisfied within this thread aren't trying to antagonize the people making this game. It's just that as a role, there are numerous things to be dissatisfied about and they are all contained within this one sub-forum. It creates a very chaotic environment where communication is very difficult. I will try to note down as succinctly what these dissatisfaction are:

• Healing-wise, our healing kit is too strong and other role's defensive tools are also getting stronger. Leading to a decreasing reliance on healers on all segments of content; to the point that entire savage and ultimate fights have been cleared without healers. We do not want to feel meaningless in a party.

• Damage-wise, healing becoming too strong leads to an increased amount of downtime for healers. This downtime is filled with a one-button rotation. We do not feel happy when downtime is numerous. Having a good party does not mean that our role should be boring.

• Communication. In my opinion, this is the most important point. I respect YoshiP as a manager and I believe in his leadership of the game. However, communication regarding the healer role in EW has been the worst I've seen in the entire time I have been playing. Starting from the EW job trailer, "We do not know what to do with Scholar" or "Sage is a DPS healer, if you are unsatisfied with glare spam go play Sage" or "If you want engaging content, go play ultimate".
  
  I am not trying to place the blame on just a single person, I do not expect YoshiP to know everything about every role. At the same time, he bears the responsibility of messaging the developer's intent of the role to the players. This leads to two possibilities:
  1. There is a massive miscommunication between the developers designing the healers and YoshiP. Which is concerning due to how long this has been happening.
  2. There is a severe lack of understanding of the role from the developers. From the three statements I listed, it respectively shows a lack of direction of the healer jobs, a lack of understanding of the job, and a lack of care/empathy towards the overall experience as a healer.

Addressing any one of these issue would be a massive improvement to player satisfaction in this role.

JP translation with DeepL below. I've modified some words to make it easier to read, but the tone is probably still too aggressive as I don't have the time to manually translate it.

正直なところ？このスレッドがシャドウブリンガー以来存在し、今日まで関係しているのはちょっと悲しい。もし開発者/コミュニティ・マネージャーの誰かがこれを読んだら、このスレッド内で不満を抱いている人たちは、このゲームを作っている人たちを敵に回そうとしているのではないことを理解してほしい。ただ、ロールとして、不満に思うことが数多くあり、それらがすべてこの1つのサブフォーラムに含まれているということです。コミュニケーションが非常に難しい、混沌とした環境を作り出している。これらの不満が何なのか、できるだけ簡潔に書き留めておこうと思う：

• ヒーリングの面で、私たちのヒーリングキットは強すぎるし、他のロールのディフェンスツールも強くなっている。その結果、あらゆるコンテンツでヒーラーへの依存度が低下している。サベージやアルティメット戦では、ヒーラーなしでクリアできるほどだ。私たちはパーティーの中で無意味だと感じたくない。

• ダメージの面でも、ヒーリングが強くなりすぎると、ヒーラーのダウンタイムが増える。このダウンタイムを埋めるのが、ワンボタンのローテーションだ。ダウンタイムが多いと、私たちは幸せを感じない。良いパーティを作るということは、私たちのロールが退屈であってはならないということではない。

• コミュニケーション。私の意見では、これが最も重要なポイントだ。私は吉Pを監督として尊敬しているし、彼のリーダーシップを信じている。しかし、エンドウォーカーにおけるヒーラーのロールに関するコミュニケーションは、私がプレイしてきた中で最悪のものだった。エンドウォーカーのジョブトレーラーから始まって、「学者をどうしたらいいかわからない」、「賢者はDPSヒーラーだ。グレアスパムに不満があるなら賢者をプレイしてほしい」、「魅力的なコンテンツを求めるなら絶をプレイしてほしい」。
  
  吉Pがすべてのロールについて知っているとは思っていません。同時に、彼は開発者の意図するロールをプレイヤーに伝える責任を負っている。このことから、2つの可能性が考えられる：
  1. ヒーラーをデザインしている開発者と吉Pの間に大規模なミスコミュニケーションがある。このようなことがいつから起こっているのか、気になるところだ。
  2. 開発者のロールに対する理解不足。私が挙げた3つの発言から、それぞれヒーラーの仕事に対する方向性の欠如、仕事に対する理解の欠如、ヒーラーとしての全体的な経験に対する配慮や思いやりの欠如を示している。

これらの問題のどれかひとつでも解決すれば、このロールにおける選手の満足度は大幅に向上するだろう。

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Originally Posted by Aravell

If they wanted to fix it, they'd have to up damage frequency, not damage intake. Let's imagine a fight that does 8k damage to the party every 3 seconds for 60 seconds, then let's look at one that does 80k damage every 30 seconds. They both do 160k after a minute, but one is significantly easier to do with no healers.

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Yeh well, this is litterally the issue with healing... It's just a big boom every 30/60s and that's it. Hence the healing game being a mitigation check.
As long as you can mitigate properly, nothing can really kill you. Everything is done without a single gcd 95% of the time, excluding the very few cases where there's actually a decent amount of damage going on, that 95% can just be cheesed by adding an extra gcd heal.

Like, how many times did I just add an extra aspected helios during prog because "just in case". it wasn't necessary, but it litterally turned something 'tight' to 'chill'.

And even in dungeon... I'm really not saying expert roulette should be hard to heal but... like... can it require more than Assize, whispering dawn and Earthlystar?
That a bunch of very competent players with very specific jobs could do an Expert roulette without a healer, sure why not... but that it requires virtually no specific skill... like... the message is litterally "healers are useless in dungeons".. beside when you're leveling.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

Yeh well, this is litterally the issue with healing... It's just a big boom every 30/60s and that's it. Hence the healing game being a mitigation check.

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On the flipside, ShB didn't have that many mit checks which made any healer comp viable. Good luck playing double regen in something like Abyssos or DSR.

God the pure-barrier split is awful. It never feels like they designed fights with this in mind; more that they designed it with mit checks that the pure healers cannot fulfill. Just another failure in the healer role

I think a big part of the problem is that fights seem to be focusing more and more on the choreography (which is fine) and if you mess up, the mechanic either straight up kills you unless you're a tank. That or it makes the party fail a body check and you wipe. Healing is scheduled into big raidwides and sometimes tankbusters and that's it. You can no longer save a run with clutch triage healing or a rez. If someone fails, the pull is over. Really makes me feel like there's no point in healers even being there anymore. Especially regen healers because shield healers are just much better at handling the current fights.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I think a big part of the problem is that fights seem to be focusing more and more on the choreography (which is fine) and if you mess up, the mechanic either straight up kills you unless you're a tank. That or it makes the party fail a body check and you wipe. Healing is scheduled into big raidwides and sometimes tankbusters and that's it. You can no longer save a run with clutch triage healing or a rez. If someone fails, the pull is over. Really makes me feel like there's no point in healers even being there anymore. Especially regen healers because shield healers are just much better at handling the current fights.

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If the emphasis on choreography makes you feel like your job has no point, is it really fine?

Pushing this thread back to the 1st page once more.

There really needs to be less downtime where the healers are only hitting their DPS buttons if they're insistent on not adding any actual depth to their offensive rotations.

Routinely having sources of damage other then predictable tankbusters and raidwides would help reduce monotony. A11S is a good example of a fight that has such in the form of the persistent fire DoT after Eternal Darkness and the prey marker Hawk Blaster that requires focused healing on the target.

They promised they'd "give us more to heal" in EW, but that never actually happened in reality and they mostly just made the incoming damage slightly higher which is offset by just hitting an additional cooldown and/or heal before going back to 1 spam.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

There really needs to be less downtime where the healers are only hitting their DPS buttons if they're insistent on not adding any actual depth to their offensive rotations.

Routinely having sources of damage other then predictable tankbusters and raidwides would help reduce monotony. A11S is a good example of a fight that has such in the form of the persistent fire DoT after Eternal Darkness and the prey marker Hawk Blaster that requires focused healing on the target.

They promised they'd "give us more to heal" in EW, but that never actually happened in reality and they mostly just made the incoming damage slightly higher which is offset by just hitting an additional cooldown and/or heal before going back to 1 spam.

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You'd need an ungodly high frequency of outgoing damage to actually get healers to heal more than they attack due to our inflated library of ridiculously powerful healing tools, which is apparently getting even larger. Some people have done some math on it before and you'd basically need a never ending stream of raidwide damage to start pressuring a skilled healer's resources.

DSR the arguably hardest overall hitting fight in the game at this point requires about 20-25k HPS between the 8 players (of which about 70% comes from the healers)

If you took every healer and had them spend every oGCD they have on CD (if resources share an oGCD use the highest potency one) and spam their GCD AOE heal anytime they have enough mana to and otherwise stand around regening mana then each individual healer can put out near 70k HPS average over the course of the fight

So even if you remove all DPS/tank healing and mitigation you are barely taxing 1/3 of ONE healers theoretical HPS in the highest damage fight in the game

Healer healing strength is completely out of line with the amount of damage done

I kinda doubt they're going to give us more to heal when they seem to be taking both heal and mit checks as interchangeable. Which... isn't entirely true.

What are they going to do to balance out the amount of collective mitigations an 8-man parties can put out now that they've decided to buff almost all non-healers' mits options? Their track record suggests me that they would only come to one conclusion: "Stand in X spot or you'll explode, Idc."

Though now that I mentioned that, it'd be funny if WHM's means of mitigation remains at 10% with 2m cooldown when everybody else and their mother receives a buff lmao.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

DSR the arguably hardest overall hitting fight in the game at this point requires about 20-25k HPS between the 8 players (of which about 70% comes from the healers)

If you took every healer and had them spend every oGCD they have on CD (if resources share an oGCD use the highest potency one) and spam their GCD AOE heal anytime they have enough mana to and otherwise stand around regening mana then each individual healer can put out near 70k HPS average over the course of the fight

So even if you remove all DPS/tank healing and mitigation you are barely taxing 1/3 of ONE healers theoretical HPS in the highest damage fight in the game

Healer healing strength is completely out of line with the amount of damage done

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Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

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I didn't even need to do the math to know that to make healers actually heal more than they DPS they would have to basically turn the game into World of Warcraft in regards to incoming party damage.
Anything less than that is not going to work with the attrition healing model they somehow convinced themselves we have.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

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No, they can just delete the heal kits and start over with 4-5 GCD heals apiece and 0-1 oGCDs. That's more than enough healing for ARR/HW content because that's already the kit in ARR/HW content so QED, and it's more than enough for new content because new content deals mit checks at half-minute intervals instead of damage.

Labor-intensive content rebalancing is not needed.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

There really needs to be less downtime where the healers are only hitting their DPS buttons if they're insistent on not adding any actual depth to their offensive rotations.

Routinely having sources of damage other then predictable tankbusters and raidwides would help reduce monotony. A11S is a good example of a fight that has such in the form of the persistent fire DoT after Eternal Darkness and the prey marker Hawk Blaster that requires focused healing on the target.

They promised they'd "give us more to heal" in EW, but that never actually happened in reality and they mostly just made the incoming damage slightly higher which is offset by just hitting an additional cooldown and/or heal before going back to 1 spam.

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If only they could bring back some designs in older savages where shield can be used to avoid debuffs, single target damage on different players combined with cleave tankbuster cleave combo....

Gonna hit yall with a weird opinion here

For me the best fight in the game for what I want out of an encounter for healing, damage and movement is kaliya

By far my favourite fight in the game and I desperately wished we got another one like it

That's not weird at all, Kaliya's really fun.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

If only they could bring back some designs in older savages where shield can be used to avoid debuffs, single target damage on different players combined with cleave tankbuster cleave combo....

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I'd argue that wasn't good design. The only thing interesting about it before was how horrible the snapshot for shield application was.

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Originally Posted by Zolvolt

I'd argue that wasn't good design. The only thing interesting about it before was how horrible the snapshot for shield application was.

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I've seen your posts in other threads. Are you here to have a discussion or are you here just to glaze the multi-million dollar company?

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Originally Posted by Rozeee

I've seen your posts in other threads. Are you here to have a discussion or are you here just to glaze the multi-million dollar company?

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Thanks for joining my fanclub. Tip for you, on the forums here and in real life, people are allowed to have different opinions than you. Not really sure why opinions on ARR healing mechanics are the thing you want to be rude about, but I hope that helps you grow as a person.

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Originally Posted by Zolvolt

I'd argue that wasn't good design. The only thing interesting about it before was how horrible the snapshot for shield application was.

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Nobody is advocating for the shield snapshots to be as slow as they were back in ARR/HW.

They want the actual boss encounters to have more dynamic mechanics/damage distribution again so you can't just look at a flowchart to know exactly when to use all of your cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Nobody is advocating for the shield snapshots to be as slow as they were back in ARR/HW.

They want the actual boss encounters to have more dynamic mechanics/damage distribution again so you can't just look at a flowchart to know exactly when to use all of your cooldowns.

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Yeah I know, and I want the same thing. I'm saying that bringing back shield to mitigate mechanics doesn't accomplish that.

The main reason older fights were good and newer fights are rarely good is because older fights required you to perform your role.

Tanks had adds pick up or they had to swap for mechanics.
Healers rarely got targeted by any mechanics but they had to ensure the survival of the team as they handled the mechanics.
DPS had to deal damage the best they can while handling mechanics that may or may not force them to disengage from the boss.

Newer fights just have every role do the same dance and anyone who fails a dance step will wipe the raid. Hardly a fun time.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

The main reason older fights were good and newer fights are rarely good is because older fights required you to perform your role.

Tanks had adds pick up or they had to swap for mechanics.
Healers rarely got targeted by any mechanics but they had to ensure the survival of the team as they handled the mechanics.
DPS had to deal damage the best they can while handling mechanics that may or may not force them to disengage from the boss.

Newer fights just have every role do the same dance and anyone who fails a dance step will wipe the raid. Hardly a fun time.

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What fights? I distinctly remember having more mechanics to deal with as a healer than the dps did, even as far back as ARR. Searing wind for example. Or we had mechanics where everyone had to do the exact same mechanic, like dive bombs on twintania. I feel that the only difference between old mechanics and new mechanics is that mechanics now are far more complicated and the game doesn't run like it's on spaghetti code anymore. The boss-designers have gotten so much better at boss designs too. No, we had to GCD heal more because we had nearly zero healing OGCD's. That was the difference. I have to say I hard disagree with that statement.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

You seem to have a propensity for arguing against something people didn't even say. "Rarely any mechanics target healers" does not mean "OMG HEALERS GET TO DO NOTHING IN EVERY FIGHT".

It's what happened in the other thread too, you just see me saying AST had middling complexity and twist it as if I said "OMG AST IS SO COMPLICATED I CAN'T EVEN".

And for the record, I'm talking about fantastic mechanic design like Forsaken, where tanks took tankbusters, DPS handled skulls and healers stand in the middle and heal so nobody dies during it. As opposed to mechanics now like Superchain Theory, where everyone does the exact same thing regardless of role and anyone tripping over just completely resets the fight, such engage, much wow.

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edit: Seems like you like to read what you want to read instead of the words I wrote and the words even that you wrote. I never once quoted you on job complexity, you inserted yourself into my reply. Go back and read the text, it doesn't even quote you on that because you weren't the target of that statement. The very first sentence of the post is that there were a lot of dramatic posts. I didn't single you out. Second, now you're the one arguing against things I never said. I never said healers never do anything, I never said that you said that either. If you spent just a little more time reading what is written this miscommunication wouldn't be happening Aravell because you are drawing implications from my words that I am not making towards you. just read what is written and stop filling in blanks with whatever. If you want clarification on something I said you can simply ask instead of yelling about it in capslock.