Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

Moving Bard to a more support role will either make them worthless or completely necessary, why would anyone want either? Nerf their songs, make them do more damage and have a more complex rotation that does not allow extreme macros. Of course this will not happen, instead they will just nerf damage very lightly I'm sure and Bards will still be boring and needed for easy completion of instances.

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Originally Posted by Danko

Making BRD songs more powerful and moving BRD more towards support would just create the situation people seem to be trying to prevent. BRDS would be severely OP then and "required" for everything. Demand for BRDs would increase. BRD stacking would be the only thing people are ever willing to do.

At least now, perceptions aside, it is still viable to replace a BRD with another DPS. Make their support stronger...and it won't be. Other DPS will just lose more spots to us.

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This. People are crying already that Bards are irreplaceable (when in fact it's not true, not yet), do you honestly want it to get worse?

On a slightly different note, there seems to be a Bard exodus atm, at least on my server. In the last week I have been contacted by several (unrelated) people on my friends list - whom I haven't spoken to in a while - all looking for a Bard for their Coil teams. No, they are not stacking multiple Bards, theirs are just not there anymore. Looking at my server's FC recruitment threads there's a cry out for Bards as well. On the flip side I do know quite a few Bards who switched to BLM/SMN, so I am really beginning to wonder if this is going to become a widespread issue - Bards rerolling and/or quitting in anticipation of the nerf.

I stopped playing a Bard when I heard about the upcoming mysterious nerf. A damage nerf I can deal with, but as bards are not top DPS already, I don't see what good that will do. I expect they are going to hamper the mobility. Honestly, given the nature of the problem, that probably is the necessary "fix." Problem is that bards so completely don't want to play a post mobility nerfed bard that they just stop playing bards before the nerf ever happened.

My draw to Bard was the mobility. Without it, I'd rather play... pretty much anything else. The mobility defines the nature of the class. Now I main Scholar and dabble a bit in Summoner until my Warrior job gets up to speed. Until I know what the nerf is going to be, or am assured that there won't be a nerf to mobility more specifically, I won't play Bard anymore. Apparently, I am not the only one with that sentiment.

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Originally Posted by NeonC

instead they will just nerf damage very lightly I'm sure and Bards will still be boring and needed for easy completion of instances.

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The Bard role could be not so challenging but it is so pew pew funny =P

If a Ranger job is coming, i strongly suggest making it stronger than Bard but by no means should any job get axed or trimmed? Add, don't take away! Saying you'll adjust my Bard i so indiscriminately decided to level to 50 and get that ridiculous outfit would be so much easier to digest. I was hopeing Bard would be kick-ass and stick it to the mob like the other DPS.

It ain't easy being a damage dealer, mobs hate you for it too!

But to SE: Don't be hating!


Bring on Ranger! Bows, guns, cannons, aaaaah!

The only bards that top the dps charts are, paradoxically, the crappy ones that don't understand their role, which is not dps.

The high dps bards are the ones that refuse to play their songs and use rain of death on single targets because of the hit to their dps. This reduces the dps and potential hps of the party as a whole, but they are too dense to understand this, or too selfish to care.

A good bard that understands their support role is an excellent addition to any group. Sadly, they are few and far in between in my experience.

It would be nice if there was a parser that could give bards credit for the extra dps done with foe up, but I don't know how you could figure out their exact contribution thanks to extra attacks/heals from mage/army. If a parser could do this, then they would understand they are not dps, they are support.

Without this, a good way to encourage them to play their role is to nerf their damage overall 15-20% and reduce the damage loss from playing mage/army to 0-5%, and maybe give them a 5-10% buff to damage from foe.

Also, create a support sub forum in this section. SE is sending mixed messages by having them post here. Give them a support community and maybe they will stop trying to live up to dps numbers and play better.

There is no support role

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Originally Posted by jmdatcs

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You definitly have no clue on what u talking about, yet u come in this post and try to give a lecture. 15/20% damage debuff constantly? are u out of your mind? noone would ever party again a bard, having bard in your party would then make u fail every dps check phases of the game. Bard don t need a nerf at all, and if urself u believe so, it s probably because u do need some gears.
About ur song comment, it amazes me how some ppl like to think they can tell other classes how to do their job. Unfortunatly, Bard CANNOT use their song more than maybe 15% of the time, due to the fast mp burning AND it would be plain stupid to play a song just because we happens to be full mp because the support addition might be needed in another way. Concretly, i do mean that i won t play Foe requiem when i know that 2 min later my WHM will be out of mp and need a mana song + battle voice, or i won t play a mana song during a dps phase check as my 20% dmg will be way more usefull to the group. Things need to be planned a bit you see....
I would also add that 100% of the dps classes have support abilities, bard happen to have a bit more, have to sacrifice some of their dmg for it, and need to use them at the right time to not screw their team, this bit more of support + mobility (wich is overrated.... YAY i can cast one more skill than other classes when i have to move out of a red circle every minute) explains our low damage potency compared to other classes but, you know what dude? if you wanna feel like a bard you could try to only spm Scathe! i m sure your dmg will be AMAZING!

Reading comprehension.

Reduce Bard dps by 15-20%, then the debuff % from Mage's Ballad, and Army's Paeon is gone. Also increase their DPS by 10% when using Foe's Requiem.

There is no reasonable way to nerf Bard dps. They don't shine as hard in higher content but their utility is key. Maybe removing some cross-class skills so they don't do as much? I don't really have an answer, SE will just take a dump on them and people will quit Bard.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

Reading comprehension.

Reduce Bard dps by 15-20%, then the debuff % from Mage's Ballad, and Army's Paeon is gone. Also increase their DPS by 10% when using Foe's Requiem.

There is no reasonable way to nerf Bard dps. They don't shine as hard in higher content but their utility is key. Maybe removing some cross-class skills so they don't do as much? I don't really have an answer, SE will just take a dump on them and people will quit Bard.

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reading comprehension : u can use ballads only about 15% of the time (during any high end boss battle), wich is a straight 20% dmg nerf during 85% of the time. When u try to play smart, at least try to use ur brain.