Please implement something to teach players how to play

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

If I recall correctly it was from an interview discussing fight design and possible harder 4 man content with Yoshi's response being that in 24 man and 8 man content personal responsibility is mitigated and those fights can by and large be carried off the backs of stronger players. This fear of shunting more responsibility onto players in harder 4 man content is why they are hesitant to produce that content.

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More difficult 4 player content would be great, it's really too bad. This kind of content would presumably be easier to organize as well. Their battle team is stretched thin, so I guess they are just going to continue catering to these players. It's an issue of this or that in terms of battle content, and it sucks that we cannot get more content that would cater to players that actually put a bit of effort in their play.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

She plays both. (answering for him) Her main is a dragoon. LOL and plays like I would. Not move around at all for her skills.


Lots of older people play this game I found out.

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Skyrim Grandma would be ashamed >.<. It isn't bad if someone just doesn't know how things work, but Skyrim Grandma could put many players to shame in ff14. She even knows all of the lingo and is a sweet heart. Unfortunately, the book that would teach the lingos of the game within the Hall of Novice shed right before Sastasha is missed by many, even myself. My mom had to point it out because she thought it was precious. I wish I were more perceptive because even though I have played other things, every game has different bits of ling. I am still trying to get all of them down like TEA and OWO and UCOB there isn't any list of these anywhere, and they are not to hard to figure out, but a nice list somewhere would be cool.

Has the person who created this thread even responded at all? Or did the just throw a book of matches into a giant pile of matchbooks to see how high the flames would get?

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

Has the person who even created this thread even responded at all? Or did the just throw a book of matches into a giant pile of matchbooks to see how high the flames would get?

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Quite often at first. The thread's simply evolved since then to where he probably felt his takes or their relevant sub-topics had already been sufficiently addressed.

No need to assume that an OP is purposely starting a community brushfire just because the thread hit a high page count.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

I also had a buddy tell me I could pull everything from the moment I started the game if I used my CDs. Maybe that was too much of an advantage lol

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Idk if "too" much, but that one little long step encouraged at the start can make for a weirdly huge difference.

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A bit off-topic, but sometimes I wish the class-quests weren't quite so strictly limited to their classes, just because some of those NPC companions could give some really fun and integral perspectives by which to approach the game, if they were allowed. That or just a bit more encouragement to multi-class as one goes, maybe, so one can more quickly see content from multiple roles' perspectives.

Consider those stationed in Limsa Lominsa, for instance. You've got the... analysis-retentive Arcanist NPC, the "just go in there and bash em dead" Marauders, and, if polished or deepened a bit, could get more of a supportive side-view from the Rogues, etc. It deepens the sense of character, world, and engagement with the game's available mechanics all at once. A win-win.

Alternatively, the game could just make a bit better use of its crafted solo-play moments and opportunities things via NPCs through more finely sculpted engagements in that solo content (job/class quests, etc.). Again, there's nothing to be lost in that, and a fair bit to be gained, especially in providing an especially satisfying intro to the game even once our latest influx has died down and no longer tint the game rosy through sheer numbers.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

More difficult 4 player content would be great, it's really too bad. This kind of content would presumably be easier to organize as well. Their battle team is stretched thin, so I guess they are just going to continue catering to these players. It's an issue of this or that in terms of battle content, and it sucks that we cannot get more content that would cater to players that actually put a bit of effort in their play.

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This really bums me out. I always am reminded of when an npc died in my archer or bard quest early on in my journey and seeing you could put the duty on easy, very easy, normal, but there were no higher difficulty to practice the class. I know people struggled with content, there are some who do not wish to even try and troll others, but there are the people who log in to the game every day looking to learn, looking for a challenge. The millions of tutorial pop ups are great and all, but I suck and reading things without context sometimes(okay all of the time) all of it kind of bleeds together especially when coupled with ARR exposition dumping.

I will never forget the drk in a prog group for Nidhogg extreme who posted the wiki guide at the beginning of the fight. I can't memorize an entire wiki guide and assimilate the knowledge, and I wished to prog the fight not read the wiki. Though the same drk must have deemed 'shirk' not a worthy skill and removed it from their bar like the manliest of men, this fight was made harder by those not playing well and gave me a way to work my brain to come up with a solution to tank swapping with them. Something I know to be true with this and other content, is if they all knew what to do, the fight would go super fast and I would have learned nothing. When a boss phase skips everything in a dungeon or trial how I am meant to, as a player who wishes to learn, know a phase that never happens until we get johnny no combo and mistress aesthetic animation art snob. This really should not be the case. I should not be wishing for prog teams to learn new things about fights.

I know it will never happen, and I can already go into fights via party finder minimum ilvl sync into a Trial to learn, but the fact that you can brute force through Garuda extreme with a team who doesn't say anything, rapid fire pulls, and beat their heads into a wall without speaking until the echo lets them phase skip and survive mechanics is just freaking sad. Sometimes I truly wonder if I am playing with humans or machines. This is not without the millions of times I have enjoyed content, but alot about this whole mentality, even square is catering to, just really bums me out. Just go make a mobile ff14 game and be done with it like Aion did, though they just released Aion classic as well, so their dumbing down clearly was not paying out anymore.

I will await patiently, and if they ruin all of the classes further, and dumb things down more and not even add something nice for those who wish for a challenge I suppose it will be time to move on from ff14. I have not been keeping up with the news but if there is no deep dungeon in endwalker I shall be sad. At the least, Swtor is releasing an update, they dumbed down some of the stats in that game, but it has some challenge group content maybe with the update there will be more people on to queue with.

When you attempt to please everyone you please no one and this thread is fantastic example! Appealing to majority of self entitled babies in adult bodies never ends well.

First the "elitists" evacuate to form their own groups to clear content that becomes less and less satisfying then leave once done.
Then the "average" player grows weary of being shouted at or expected to carry the below group and leaves. They may or may not attempt end game content before doing so. When they do, finding a party is one exercise in futility because group A left already.
This leaves group C, the "toxic casual". Group C believes that everyone is okay with dragging them through content and across the victory line kicking and screaming. They often lash out at others as children without understanding would. Groups A, B, and even C do not wish to play a game with group C (no matter how much they tell themselves they do).

Once groups A and B leave the game only group C remains. Group C proceeds to devour each other until everyone is sick of playing and the game begins the downward spiral into oblivion. FF14 has already reached peak levels of group C, what happens next will be most predictable to anyone with working brain cells.

Look towards a game that appeals to groups A and B, Dark Souls. It still has a fairly active community of friendly players despite being very very old and riddled with issues and bugs with netcode so bad it puts FF14's to shame. Heck! I have had invaders treat me with more respect and dignity then 50% of my duty finder groups and their soul purpose is to kill me..

about healer doing some DPS . Hall of Novice or that Smith , it will tell you when youre doing it as a healer, you should do some DPS just watch party HPs. but tbh its getting common and i dont care if its on 70-80 or at lower levels. game is really easy, but some people really still dont know what for their role is and which actions they have. i dont know why and its really sadden me. im not entitled or anything, but getting slowly salty. glad i can spend whole day in Bozja to avoid it , even you can meet also this situation there.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

And this changes the fact that Yoshi uses strong emphasis of 'Skill gap'?, that stance doesn't change in 3 years or ever really.

Fact is Yoshi P admitted that there is a lot of bad players in this game, also that interview in 2020 with his response is likely just repeating what hes been told to say.

Do you really think Yoshi P really thinks like that? when he him self admits to the skill gap - which is corporate speaking to say in a nice way theres a lot of bad players that is more then expected.

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That's a lot of assumptions on what Yoshi-P thinks. Rather, see what the dev team has done in those past 3 years. For better or for worse the skill gap has indeed been closed as jobs are significantly easier to play since 2017.

Since we're assuming about what Yoshi-P thinks, I don't think he honestly cares how good or bad players are, as long as they are having fun (and paying the bills).

Why would someone who
A) publicly encourages taking a time out from the game to play other games,
B) has a strong stance against bullying and/or bully-gating,
C) has actively pushed his dev team to add more and more "fluff" content instead of hard content
...also secretly/privately resent bad players?

I've said it before in this very thread, but:

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I think this is the key point that some people just don’t get. Some people see this game that needs to be more demanding of skill or harder to challenge players. The problem here is to the devs, this is “Disneyland Online”. You hang out with friends, you wait in line to go down the same path everyone else does to see the pirates..or haunted mansion..or abandoned mines. (I expect space mountain next!). Pepper in some minis you can pick up at the souvenir store and you’re set.

That is all. This is a virtual theme park. Priority is keeping the vast majority of guests satisfied and wanting to come back. That’s it.

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If I wanted to play a game with high difficulty and/or skill, I will indeed play Dark Souls, or currently getting through Ori on hard difficulty. FFXIV is not (and will never be) that game.

The skill gap is no different from ARR to HW to SB to ShB. It will be the same in EW. You can dumb a job down to paint eating levels, yet the skill gap persist. Also, with the dumbing down you get a lot of players dissatisfied with the direction their job/role is taking. Just see the sheer boredom that is healing and tanking.